The Triquestra - Holy or Unholy Trinity

Amen... That includes this ridiculous protest against a symbol that according to the NKJV folks references the holy trinity. Satan has shrewdly used the symbol along coupled with the false belief of KJVOnlyism to once again create dissension and rancor among Christians.

You have allowed your posts to be instruments of Satan.

Christ is not in KJVOnlyism. Christ is not in this foolish disputing and accusal of the brethren.

The Christians responsible for putting this symbol on that cover said what it stood for. Only those seeking a dispute would continue arguing the point.

It is a symbol SFIC intended to remind people of what the publishers declare it stands for.

 

Oh no SFIC, I proved beyond any doubt that the tiger image is very much a pagan symbol from eastern mysticism.

OTOH, as pointed out earlier, the symbol on the NKJV is a line art representation of the trillium... a wonderful symbol God gave us in nature to illustrate His triunity.

 

still haven't seen the fact addressed which pointed out that the symbol of the cross was used by pagans prior to the Christian use of it... so, standing firm... are you going to be consistent and stop using the Cross and say that any Christian publication that has the Cross on it must therefore be pagan and should cease using it? hmmmm?

"Scandinavia: The Tau cross symbolized the hammer of the God Thor.
Babylon: the cross with a crescent moon was the symbol of their moon deity.
Assyria: the corners of the cross represented the four directions in which the sun shines.
India: In Hinduism, the vertical shaft represents the higher, celestial states of being; the horizontal bar represents the lower, earthly states.
Egypt: The ankh cross (a Tau cross topped by an inverted tear shape) is associated with Maat, their Goddess of Truth. It also represents the sexual union of Isis and Osiris.
Europe: The use of a human effigy on a cross in the form of a scarecrow has been used from ancient times. In prehistoric times, a human would be sacrificed and hung on a cross. The sacrifice would later be chopped to pieces; his blood and pieces of flesh were widely distributed and buried to encourage the crop fertility." http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_symb.htm

Another source states:
"'That which is now called the Christian cross was originally no Christian emblem at all, but was the mystic Tau of the Chaldeans and the Egyptians - the true original form of the letter T - the initial of the name of Tammuz - which, in Hebrew, radically the same as ancient Chaldee, as found on coins, was formed as in No. 1.' (#1 refers to a picture on page 197 in Hislop's book, of a cross, which looks like the common, small 't' cross of most any church.)

The 'mystic Tau was marked in baptism on the foreheads of those initiated in the Mysteries 66 and was used in every variety of way as a most sacred symbol. To identify Tammuz with the sun, as in No. 4; sometimes it was inserted in the circle, as in No. 5.' (The cross of #4, pictured in his book on page 197, is a small t with a circle at the top, while the cross of #5 has cross-bars of equal length and width, with the circle surrounding it, or touching all four outer points.)

'The mystic Tau, as the symbol of the great divinity, was called, 'the sign of life.' It was used as an amulet over the heart 7 and was marked on the official garments of the priests, as on the official garments of the priests of Rome; it was borne by kings in their hand, as a token of their dignity or divinely conferred authority.'

'The Vestal virgins of Pagan Rome wore it suspended from their necklaces, as the nuns do now.8 The Egyptians did the same, and many of the barbarous nations with whom they had intercourse, as the Egyptian monuments bear witness. In reference to the adorning of some of these tribes, Wilkinson thus writes:'

'The girdle was sometimes highly ornamented; men as well as women wore earrings; and they frequently had a small cross suspended to the necklace, or to the collar of their dress...showing that it was already in use as early as the fifteenth century before the Christian era.'9

'There is hardly a Pagan tribe where the cross has not been found. The cross was worshipped by the Pagan Celts long before the incarnation and death of Christ.'10

'It is a fact,' says Maurice, 'not less remarkable than well attested, that the Druids in their groves were accustomed to select the most stately and beautiful tree as an emblem of the Deity they adored, and having cut the side branches, they affixed two of the largest of them to the highest part of the trunk, in such a manner that those branches extended on each side like the arms of a man, and together with the body, presented the appearance of a HUGE CROSS, and on the bark, in several places, was also inscribed the letter Thau.'11

'It was worshipped in Mexico for ages before the Roman Catholic missionaries set foot there, large stone crosses being erected, probably to the 'god of rain.'12

The cross thus widely worshipped, or regarded as a sacred emblem, was the unequivocal symbol of Bacchus, the Babylonian Messiah, for he was represented with a head-band covered with crosses.' This symbol of the Babylonian god is reverenced at this day in all the wide wastes of Tartary, where Buddhism prevails, and the way in which it is represented among them forms a striking commentary on the language applied by Rome to the Cross.'

'The cross,' says Colonel Wilford, in the Asiatic Researches, 'though not an object of worship among the Baud'has, or Buddhists, is a favorite emblem and device among them. It is exactly the cross of the Manicheans, with leaves and flowers springing from it. This cross, putting forth leaves and flowers (and fruit also, as I am told) 13 is called the divine tree, the tree of the gods, the tree of life and knowledge, and productive of whatever is good and desirable, and is placed in the terrestrial paradise.'14
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ftnotes for the above
Ibid. p. 198: 'Wilkinson, vol. i. p. 365, Plate.' This refers to his work, Egyptians, 1837-41.'

Ibid. 'Pere Lafitan, Moeurs des Sauvages Ameriquains, vol. i. p. 442.'

Ibid. p. 198-199. 'Wilkinson, vol. i. p. 376.'

Ibid. p. 199. 'Crabb's Mythology, p. 163.'

Ibid. 'Maurice's Indian Antiquities, vol. i. p. 49.'

Ibid. 'Prescott's Conquest of Mexico, vol. i. p. 242.'http://www.seedofabraham.net/cross.html
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So, once again standing firm, are you going to be consistent and abandon the symbol of the Cross?

blessings,
Ken

 

The Tiger god originated pre-SFIC, not of God.

 

Are you kidding? Consistent?

 

It is not my intent to discredit you or your wife. You both have opened your mouths with foolishness and false accusations and discredited yourself. You have accused others and when shown that you both refuse to apologize.
***Personal attack removed***

Bro Tony

[ May 16, 2006, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]

 

The NKJV folks cherish the trinity as represented by this symbol but gave absolutely no evidence of worshipping it as a pagan symbol. They do not worship the symbol but rather the Holy Trinity which they testify that it represents when used by them.

I am prodding you because you are being double minded. You expect consideration and the benefit of the doubt but refuse to grant it to other Christians.

 

Scott,

Now you've gone and done it! You have used logic, and everyone knows logic is a tool of the devil. So stop it!!!

Bro Tony

 

Well..... actually inside the front cover of some of the New King James books you find this explanation about why the Triquetra is on this book:

What saddens my heart is that it isn't what they say it is nor should it be on anything that supposedly represents God's Word.

It is an ancient Gnostic symbol that you can find reference to now as a New Age Movement symbol. You will also find this symbol on a book named "The Craft: A Witch's Book of Shadows, also called the Grimoire. It's a book of spells, enchantments, Wicca ethics and rituals. Don't believe my word on it. Do a search in your favorite search engine and look on the cover of the book.

I won't try to derail this subject but quite frankly, if it is OK to use the triquretra, why not use a pentagrahm also? I mean, after all, it's just a symbol, isn't it? NOT!!!

 

yes, standing firm.... you are being double minded and hypocritical, heaping on others traditions you yourself do not adhere to, eg keeping a pagan symbol that you have personally have no trouble with while ostracizing others for doing the same thing, the only difference between you and those you castigate is the symbol... there is absolutely no way of denying this...

let me put it like this....

"I do not hold the triquestra (your spelling) to be sacred. When I see the triquestra, I see a symbol of the Trinity. Yes, the triquestra was pagan. It was used to symbolize all sorts of different pagan ideas prior to Christ's coming. I do not worship the triquestra, but the Trinity.

I do cherish the story of the Trinity, but I do not worship the symbol of the Trinity."

Get the message?

Secondly, I hope you are not implying that Christians worshipped the triquestra....?

blessings,
Ken

 

SFIC said:

You cannot discredit me, you cannot discredit my wife, but most of all, you cannot discredit the truth as it is written in God's Word.

**Insult removed**

[ May 16, 2006, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]

 

standingfirminChrist said:

I do not hold the cross to be sacred. When I see the cross, I see an instrument of torture and death. Yes, the cross was pagan. It was used to crucify our Lord. I do not worship the cross, but the Lord who died on the cross.

I do cherish the story of the crucifixion, but I do not worship the symbol of the crucifixion.

I do not hold the triquetra to be sacred. When I see the triquetra, I see an abstract design. Yes, the triquetra is an ancient Christian symbol. It was used to illustrate the Trinity. I do not worship the triquetra, but the Holy God whom it represents.

I do cherish the Holy Trinity, but I do not worship the symbol of the Trinity.

 

The Parson said:

It is an ancient Gnostic symbol that you can find reference to now as a New Age Movement symbol.

Gnostics and New Agers stealing Christian symbols and terminology? Why, that has never happened in the history of the Church!

 

What saddens my heart is that it isn't what they say it is nor should it be on anything that supposedly represents God's Word.</font>[/QUOTE] The problem with that is that their explanation should more than suffice the honest mind.

How would you propose to use the pentagram with relation to Christianity? Why would you do it? Could you give a reason as clear and open as that given inside of the NKJV cover?

 

No, I'll tell you what.... what "truth" has been clearly and unequivocally shown is that you are being hypocritical.

you have also been shown to be wrong by your keeping the ancient pagan symbol of the cross because it represents Christ to you, while at the same time condemning others for doing EXACTLY what you yourself do, once again, the only difference is the symbol, eg allowing them to keep the symbol of the "triquestra" because it represents the Trinity to them.

What is worse, if there is something worse than being hypocritical, is your refusal to admit that you are wrong.

blessings,
Ken

 

Amazing...

All this because someone is clinging so tightly to the proud notion that they cannot possibly be wrong no matter how manifestly double-minded their behavior is.

Tell you what, continue to advocate double standards (a form of dishonesty) and tell God wh you do so when you stand before Him.

I do not fear being judged for accepting the simple explanation given directly by these Christian scholars.