General Thoughts on the Immigration Issue

I agree with you Dr. Bob, except for the part where you label those who blame America for our illegal immigration invasion as liberals. In reality, it is partly our fault because we allow $$$$$$$$$ to get in the way of integrity and ecnourage them to come so they can be cheap labor for the American businesses who don't want to pay a decent wage to an American worker. Then, the government, who is looking for the next bigtime $$$$$$$$$ contribution from corporate America looks the other way when they do so, and even goes as far as to justify it by arguing that the illegals are simply doing the work no American would want to do. Yes, it is partly our fault because we encourage it and enable it. That is neither liberal nor conservative. It is a fact jack.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph, You are 100% correct.

I think it is the height of hypocrisy to complain about 'illegal immigration' and yet turn a blind eye to the hundreds of businesses that hire them, and on top of that patronize or subsidize those businesses.

IMHO, the problem really isn't the illegal immigrants, it is the lack of a viable immigration policy. While the elephants and donkeys puff and posture in DC, nothing changes.

 

I disagree, Mex.

The problem is both the illegal immigrants and the American politicians and corporate bigwigs who encourage and enable it. Just because the American government is lacking in integrity with the way they deal with the problem does not relieve the illegal aliens of their responsibility. They are wrong to be here illegally and should be sent back until they can get here legally. Their presence and America's tolerance of their presence is a slap in the face to all legal immigrants who came here and did things the right way, sometimes waiting 10 years or more before they can simply take a citizenship test.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Why not? I understand that your greengrocer does not speak Swahili and even if he did, you are living in a part of the world where speaking English is the norm.
But why did you never learn to speak any African languages?

 

You mean you dress up like a supporter of the Dutch national footballteam to honour the memory of steward/vicar William (stadhouder Willem III) who weaseled his way into a job as the British monarch.

 

I'm Native American. Where does that put me? And you? Who was here first? Should you speak Choctaw?

 

My problem is that if you are here illegally, you should be forced to leave until you can come here legally. As far as corporations hiring illegles, we need to tighten up the laws governing that practise. We can't blame the corporations as they are not law makers. If you introduce cheap labor in a capitalistic society, they will be exploited. The corporations are at least keeping them off welfare to some extent.

I am not sticking up for corporations. Just that we should place the blame on the right people. Our own government.

We also shouldnt allow these people to flood over the borders of California on check day, pick up their welfare checks and stream back into Mexico to spend them.

In our cities we as americans are snubbed because we won't take the time to learn foreign languages.

We can barely celebrate our own historic culture (judeo-Christian)without OFFENDING some other group. Yes. We have religeous freedom in this country. Why are we the ones to be surpressed. If someone wants to be a part of America and they are offended by seeing the nativity scene at city hall, let them grow some hair and allow us our freedom since those comming here claim to want it. Learn OUR language, respect OUR culture, pay taxes, be a contributing member of society.

Any complaints with that??? GO HOME!

 

I think the illegal aliens, the government, and the corporate America are to blame for their law breaking, their enabling of it, and their encouragement of it.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Most of our graduate students here at the big university are from other countries. And they usually try to stay in the U.S.A after graduation. They can do that if they get a job and a sponsor.

Recently, one fellow from Europe had a job opportunity fall through and was close to being deported before he found another job. He expressed deep frustration at the unfairness of a system that ignores illegal aliens but deports those who try to follow the law.

There are provisions for people from other countries to come to the U.S. legally. Mexicans who flaunt the law shouldn't be given special privileges.

Most of the immigrants I've met are happy to be here and have an intense desire to fit in.

A while back one student from a former communist country gave me a personal lecture on how America was great because all of the old conflicts were left in the old country. He appreciated the opportunity of a fresh start.

A.F.

 

I wouldn't give them that much. If they are here illegally (other than a technicality) they should be sent home and NEVER allowed to return.

A.F.

 

The problem is not, in my assessment of things duel citizenship or any citizenship at all but illegal here working and sending most of the money made home to their families. I read somewhere that around 32 billion dollars are sent out of the country and into South America every year. I worked with one place in California and they had a Mexican work force of about 20 people, and of the 20 there were only 5 SS number between them. They were using another’s number and most if not all were illegal. I do not approve of this amnesty for all the ones here now who sneaked across the border and are getting rewarded for it. It would seem the administration is telling them its ok for doing this, thus inviting more and more to do the same. If these people cannot go through the legal process of coming to the USA then they don't belong here. They are one of the big reasons for our medical cost rising so very much. I do feel sorry for some of these people because most are just trying to make a living that is not available overn there. Others are here for the quick and big money to be made in suppling durgs to our young men and women.

 

I wouldn't give them that much. If they are here illegally (other than a technicality) they should be sent home and NEVER allowed to return.

A.F. </font>[/QUOTE]I disagree. I believe in punishing criminals, but I also believe in grace and second chances. Without that, none of us would have ever been saved. Would this possibly be a good illustration of the grace of God (unmerited favor)? The other problem I see with never allowing them to return is that they were here partly because our government encouraged and enabled them to break the law.

Joseph Botwinick

 

While having or carrying a Mexican flag is not a crime. Here in Arizona some Mexicans took down the American flag and put up the Mexican flag in its place at a public (government) building. As a veteran this got my blood boiling. This was surely done in ignorance (I hope), but it is an act of war to raise a foreign flag on US soil. And before someone says, "it is not an act of war to fly a foreign flag"---I did not say fly, I said raise, which means to take down the US flag and raise a foreign flag in its place. These are troubling times.

Bro Tony

Too many of our people have died to have a foreign country raise their flag on our soil. One day we will wake up and say, "where did America go?"

 

I wouldn't give them that much. If they are here illegally (other than a technicality) they should be sent home and NEVER allowed to return.

A.F. </font>[/QUOTE]I disagree. I believe in punishing criminals, but I also believe in grace and second chances. Without that, none of us would have ever been saved. Would this possibly be a good illustration of the grace of God (unmerited favor)? The other problem I see with never allowing them to return is that they were here partly because our government encouraged and enabled them to break the law.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Ok Joseph, You convinced me. Let's deport our government and keep the illegal immigrants. A good trade I say.

A.F.

 

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I believe in punishing criminals, but I also believe in grace and second chances. Without that, none of us would have ever been saved. Would this possibly be a good illustration of the grace of God (unmerited favor)? The other problem I see with never allowing them to return is that they were here partly because our government encouraged and enabled them to break the law.
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It's time the people of this country got tough. It is well and good to be kind and merciful. We should be when it is appropriate. But our country is at stake here. A little tough love is in order.

We have a loving God who has given us second chances and yes, our government is partially to blame. The bottom line is that we need to get control of this and other issues or life as we know it will cease to exist in America!

It is not a matter of lacking compassion. I love our nation and it's people. We should be compassionate to each other first. It is a matter of survival as a free nation. We are under attack from all sides. We ARE at war wether people agree with it or not. We have laws in place to protect ourselves and we need to start enforcing them. We need to hold illegals accountable for their actions as well as our own government members who broke the law.

 

Been gone for awhile. Don't know if she's coming back. Hope she does.

 

I am all for deporting illegals. That is getting tough on crime. But once they are gone, I am also for working out a way for them to re-enter legally. That is grace and mercy.

Joseph Botwinick

 

America can't "houses" the world, If they want a country like America, let them "transform" their own country.

 

I am not asking for America to "house" the world. I am saying deport the illegals and then give them a chance to re-enter legally. That's all.

Joseph Botwinick