The druids. Wicca. the Platonists. chants and other such things. (I forgot to mention, that it was actually the Greeks and Romans Paul in your Romans reference to was actually referring to!) There is no evidence from bibical or secular history to suggest that "the godly" used "solemn" sounds only, and only "pagans" used rhythmic sounds. So it is the critics of rock who have long made up their own facts when there are none; counting on the logic SOUNDing "godly" and biblical. (and people being to lazy to check it out).
Right. I was in a rush, and sometimes it's hard to remember some of those words.
But in practice, many "conservative" churchs are dark and gloomy, and these are usually the ones who scream the loudest about new worship.
They were. Ask many of these "rebels" who grew up inder that 50's and earlier society. As I say at http://members.aol.com/etb700/rightwing.html "They preached biblical love, but then practiced racism and sexism. They talked morality and holiness, but didn't live up to it. Then, they sat in armchairs sending this whole generation off to horrible wars, and when they
came back, totally disoriented, and created the hippie and rock phenomena, they simply got mad
at them for 'rebelling' and blasted them as culture-destroying enemies rather than poor lost souls
reacting to a difficult and confusing series of events, and who needed to see the truth (not just
hear it preached at them)". Them "holding up a standard" did not make up for their sins and errors, but this whole argument is based on works-justication. (sins not as bad as others; "good" makes up for them, etc) I wish you could see it for the blatant rejection of the Biblical Gospel it really is!
I'm sorry, but your classical and tradition style is not made God's preference by default of seniority (preference of 20th century parents) Do you REALLY think that is how we determine truth? All cultures have had sin and rebellion. If it weren't for improvisation in light of earlier generation's opposition, we would be using whatever style and songs used in the NT Church (instruments or not), and it wasn't 17th-19th century Western hymns! There is no escape from this fact.
And was Israel in NT times just as debauched as their contemporary Greece, Rome, or even Samaria? No. the Pharisees certainly made a point if this. But whose nation suffered God's [temporal] wrath in a few decades? Which one provoked the most wicked act in history? The entire lesson of this was that NONE were righteous, (the HEARTs were all the same, despite the OUTWARD appearance) and even claims of being "more righteous" than others were illusory and outright deceptive, and would only lead to blindness to one's own sin, and thus missing of God's grace. But we have not learned AT ALL. We repeat, lock, stock and barrel, their error, thinking we top even them, now, because "we have Christ". (that all the more gives us less excuse!)
But WOW; amazing how it's US who happen to be the "better people". (and once again, all the corruption in our society comes from outside). Doesn't that seem just a bit too good to be true?
Just whatever happened to "esteem others better than themselves" (Phil.2:3). I guess that's only for those inferior dog cultures. There is possibly no one better than us!
I'm sorry, but that old "PC" scapegoat won't work. You forget that "interracial dating" WAS a matter of "honoring one's parents", and still is with many. (also, honoring one's school, church, nation, etc) It was the SAME exact issue as the music: Don't "mongrelize" the superior with the inferior! But this is more embarrasing, so we tend to deny it more. Your beef is "traditional correctness" (the right wing counterpart to "PC"), and you just cannot admit its sin, and stop judging people today by their twisted, half-biblical 'only-when-it-benefits-us', "standards".
But you're not saying "not as useful"; you're saying "not good at all". "trash", and going beyond the others, you add "offense to God".
Well others (Cloud and most of the rest of the KJVO's) do, and I have never seen your side disclaiming their positions on that (until now).
I have acknowledges this point on my CCM page. But once again, that is just a misuse of it. Just like marching was used for evil (including the control of people being led into the evil acts).
This eans nothing. Since it is rap we are talking about, no one is using it to replace "psalms, hymns, spiritual songs" in Church, so you cannot even bring your "rhythm denigrates worship of God" argument into that. The same with many forms of rock. You just don't want the style to exist at all!
You need to answer the question. Notice how you just bowed out of this discussion on that "confession of a worship leader" thread, without even trying to prove it anymore!
