Just Something I Wrote

I think I got it from http://purgatorio1.com/?p=265 which is one of my favorite blogs in the whole world wide web.

 

I got it gekko... and I agree with you... and BTW I too am a old fogey... almost 37 yrs old. But I still can appreciate something good when I see it.

While hip hop is not my style, I appreciate it.

 

Ya know, Cain built an altar to the Lord. That was what God wanted. But Cain took that which was cursed and offered it on the altar. This displeased God.

God does not want a sacrifice of praise and worship on an altar of the world.

 

I really would like to understand what exactly makes music "worldly".
If it is electric instruments, wouldn't that make a computer and the internet "worldly"?
If it is it's popularity in the world, wouldn't that make pizza "worldly"?
Is Wal-Mart "worldly? What about amusement parks, ever go to any of them? Are they "worldly"?

What makes something "worldly"? If it is something that the world enjoys, we are all in trouble. Maybe it is something that glorifies the world or the things in it. I honestly don't know. Please help me understand.

 

Cain's offering was not rejected because "God cursed the ground". Else, there never would have been grain offerings in the temple ritual. God's cursing the ground was defined ain terms of the thorns and hard work it would produce.

 

In addition, Cain's sacrifice was the "work of his own hands". Cain was offering his own "works" to God.

And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. (Genesis 4:2)

And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. (Genesis 4:3)

And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: (Genesis 4:4)

But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. (Genesis 4:5)

 

Linda-

So what are you saying here. Anything we do or create is going to be rejected by God? Are you saying the Hymns were created by God?

Maybe I am totally missing the point.

Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Colossians 3:23-25 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

 

People just need to read the passages they quote from. BOTH offered of the product they farmed, if that's what you mean by "the work of his own hands". Cain farmed the fruit of the ground, while Abel farmed animals. It's right there in the text. Now we all know the principle of blood for the remission of sins, but the passage doesn't even say they were making an atonement offering (there were many other types of offerings) or that God had even establshed blood atonement to man yet. Yes, we can see its principle in the skins given to Adam and Eve, but for Cloud to claim that "God taught them the way of salvation" as far as the details of blood sacrifice is taking our "systematic theology" way beyond scripture. But this is what is done in every issue, including this whole music issue. And once again grain offerings were not forbidden, as they too were used in the Temple.

But as I was going to continue from before, you start with one set of proof texts that don't prove what you're saying, and after being pressed for proof, you come up with even worse prooftexting. The fact that you interpret the scripture on Cain that way, and then offer that as proof that rock music is of the flesh all the more calls into question your side's whole system of exegesis.
Once agan, even users of traditional hymns can be guilty of bringing forth the works of their own hands; especially when the style just becomes an issue to judge others over, and without even the slightest real scriptural proof. (Which is the real works-righteosness, and would better correspond to Cain's offering). If this is the best scriptural evidence for God's musical preference you can offer, then it is time for you all just to leave the contemporary Church alone and instead go learn anew how to read the Bible and let it speak for itself. God is going to judge you for your handling of His Word, not for what others do.

As I have said, this whole definition of "worldly" stems from the belief that "Christian" classical European and traditional American culture were "sacred" cultures, as opposed to everyone else, which was the "world". Instead of trying so hard to salvage the corrupt doctrine built on this bad foundation, people should just admit that it's wrong.

 

I'm still trying to figure out what's "worldly" also. I love classical music, and there's some pretty "lively" classical music. There are no lyrics, and it generally isn't played in church. So is classical music "worldly"?

 

Music is not neutral. If it was, it would not be used in the fashion it is used to sell cars on television.

If it were neutral, it would not be a problem playing any kind of music in the church.

And just for the record, as I said before, satan was created as a chief musician. He knows music. And he is using music to satisfy the flesh whether one wants to believe it or not.

 

So how do you justify being on the internet most of the day, SFIC? You obviously are reading this thread which, in your opinion, is filled with "worldly" lyrics and discussion. By even reading this kind of thread, are you not filling your mind with worldly thoughts? And by participating in this thread, are you not participating in worldly activities? What part of "be ye separate" are you obeying by being on this thread?

 

Junkie,

I can justify it through my testimony of the truth.

 

I.m sorry, but you're not testifying truth, just hurling out accusations at styles. Nothing you have said has proven that all rock is bad, while traditional is not "worldly". Satan being a musician does not prove this either. He can use classical and traditional to deceive as well.