Baptist school ousts gay student

Questions come to mind....Was he presented with Christian counseling about his declaration before being cast out??? Was he given the opportunity to explain what he meant when he claimed to be gay??? Was he given the opportunity to repent and ask for forgiveness before being cast out???

Or, was his expulsion a knee-jerk reaction to the thought that he "might be" an active homosexual who practiced the sexual perversion of homosexuality???

There are people who prefer same-sex relationships who do not have sexual relations with each other, or with anyone else of the same gender as themselves and who misinterpret their role as "being" a homosexual. Immaturity can do that to a young person who may believe in a political view such as the "gay marriage" issue based on equal rights in a free country, and therefore falsely interprets his role to be other than what it actually is.

 

BillyMac--your questions are superfluous. The person in question broke publicly stated rules and beliefs of the school. He got the exact treatment he deserved. He got booted.

After punishment has been invoked, then counsel with the individual. However, do not bend the rules. Once the rules of morality are compromised, they become worthless.

 

[/QUOTE]Ahhh, Thank you for your thoughts -- especially as they were expressed so lovingly.

I do believe that private institutions have the right to set whatever policies they see fit, and those who join private institutions are obligated to follow the rules. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Your welcome! Perhaps you could share with us some of the rules that are in effect 24-7 (impossible to actually do) and perhaps I will retract my thoughts.

 

according to THIS ARTICLEthe rules were not clear enough at the time he entered the school
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But a copy of the student handbook provided by the university confirmed the policy was not spelled out in 2003-04, when Johnson chose to attend. The school did not provide a copy of the policy for the 2004-05 school year. The 2005-06 student handbook says: "Any student who engages in or promotes sexual behavior not consistent with Christian principles (including sex outside marriage and homosexuality) may be suspended or asked to withdraw."

School officials said that although the 2003-04 policy did not explicitly mention homosexuality, it did say that students must "conduct themselves, on and off the campus, in a manner which is consistent with the objectives of the College and with its standards of conduct."

 

Saying you're gay promotes and/or is the same as engaging in sexual behavior?

Wow.

 

I'd say "no."

I'm not Baptist, though, and I'm not afraid that gay people will infect straight people. </font>[/QUOTE]Trajic if you feel Baptists are afraid that gay people will infect straight people, then why do you come and post here? This is a BAPTIST BOARD.

 

I'd say "no."

I'm not Baptist, though, and I'm not afraid that gay people will infect straight people. </font>[/QUOTE]Trajic if you feel Baptists are afraid that gay people will infect straight people, then why do you come and post here? This is a BAPTIST BOARD.

 

I'd say "no."

I'm not Baptist, though, and I'm not afraid that gay people will infect straight people. </font>[/QUOTE]Trajic if you feel Baptists are afraid that gay people will infect straight people, then why do you come and post here? This is a BAPTIST BOARD. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm not gay. And I'm in a section where lesser denominations of Christians are allowed to exist.

 

Guilt by association.

 

Guilt by association. </font>[/QUOTE]So by saying I'm a jelly doughnut, I automatically inherit all of the attributes of a jelly doughnut?

 

Booting for a political reason and then counseling seems short sighted. Counsel first, learn the facts, and you may not have to boot.

I wonder if that school boots for lying or for wandering lustful eyes???

 

Reply bu trajic,

"I'm not gay. And I'm in a section where lesser denominations of Christians are allowed to exist"

I hear Baptists are afraid of being infected by Christians whose name includes a form of junk food. I'm certainly not. I'm also not afraid of straight christian guys from a lesser denomination of Christianity

 

The article quotes a student as saying that the student in question was "openly gay". Perhaps this also weighed on the decision to boot him.

Nobody says being gay "infects" people, but when it is tolerated, it gives people the idea it is acceptable. That is what cannot be tolerated and probably why the rule exists. It is a private school and within its rights to do this.

 

About the worst rule I have ever heard of in my life! I hope someone challenges nonsense like this 24-7 rule in court and the school has to sell every pickn' pencil to "defend" themselves, then goes out of business FOREVER! </font>[/QUOTE]This person does not have a "right" to attend this university... and they have every right to impose rules that govern the behavior and delineate the beliefs of those they allow to attend. They have an absolute right as a private organization operating on their own property to choose who they will and will not associate with. This young man has absolutely NO RIGHT to force this university to extend the privilege of attendance to him.

You need to get straight the issue of who was operating per their "rights" and who was the beneficiary of a "privilege".

 

I'm not Baptist, though, and I'm not afraid that gay people will infect straight people. [/qb][/QUOTE]Trajic if you feel Baptists are afraid that gay people will infect straight people, then why do you come and post here? This is a BAPTIST BOARD.
[/qb][/QUOTE]I'm not gay. And I'm in a section where lesser denominations of Christians are allowed to exist. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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"I'm not Baptist, though, and I'm not afraid that gay people will infect straight people"
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trajic_pizza,
This student was clearly NOT appreciative that he was ALLOWED to attend this university.
You clearly are NOT appreciative of being ALLOWED to post in sections on the BAPTIST BOARD.

&lt;personal attack deleted - LE&gt;

[ April 12, 2006, 12:38 AM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

Or I have, wow did I mess that post up!

 

I am a Baptist. I am a fundamentalist. I do not believe that gay people will "infect" straight people. I do know however that when social mores change from rejection to acceptance of sin... sin increases.

I am not old... but old enough to remember when cohabitation was not considered socially acceptable in all but a few more "enlightened" aresas of the country. Now, it is widely accepted and we have only begun to see the negative consequences to children and society as a whole.

"Acceptance" of homosexuals amounts to a mass searing of consciences. People's consciences bear witness that homosexuality isn't moral... but our more enlightened friends want to "cure" people of what God gave them to point them back to Him (Romans 2).

 

In more ways than one. There are rules here against lewd posting, and your previous post is, to say the least, dangerously close.

You obviously don't know me, and that's fine. I fought very hard to be allowed to post here, and I appreciate it very much.

 

About the worst rule I have ever heard of in my life! I hope someone challenges nonsense like this 24-7 rule in court and the school has to sell every pickn' pencil to "defend" themselves, then goes out of business FOREVER! </font>[/QUOTE]I agree. I am sick of institutions and businesses trying to rule employees, students, or whoever, in every aspect of their lives. People are too willing to give up liberty just because someone asks them to do so.

 

I am sick of employees, students, or whoever trying to rule institutions and businesses in every aspect of their rules and EXERCISE OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL PROPERTY, ENTERPRISE, AND ASSOCIATION RIGHTS. People are too eager to violate the liberty of those who extend privileges based on conditions that are rightly theirs to determine.

These people you refer to don't have to give up one iota of their liberty. They have the absolute freedom to NOT enter into association with an institution or business that has rules contrary to their own beliefs/values.

You've turned this on its head in typical liberal fashion. You hold that privileges are rights and rights are privileges. Gov't has no legitimate say in this matter whatsoever except to protect the RIGHT of this institution to make rules according to its own principles.