Why Should I Feel Threatened by Gay Marriage?

There's nothing new under the sun. God has already told us what the problem is. We just need to stop trying to change His rules to fit our needs.

 

Then what are you worried about?

So which sinners should be allowed to raise kids and which shouldn't? </font>[/QUOTE]The Straight Sinners of course. That's a nobrainer.

 

You're right on target Hardsheller! On the homosexual agenda for gay "marriage" is the "right" to adoption and "parenting", the mandate for public education of the "alternative life styles", and a host of other tactics to force acceptance of this sinful conduct upon society. The right to "parenting" assures the behavior will be passed down to the next generation.

Patrick </font>[/QUOTE]You seem to know a lot more about homosexuality than even medical science! Gay people have the God given equipment to create babies and don't need your approval. If a child is born heterosexual, who are you to say being raised by a gay parent is going to make that child become a homosexual? </font>[/QUOTE]You can't be sure that children are born as Heterosexuals and Homosexuals. All you have is the testimony of the Gays who want you to believe that. Everything they aspire to hangs on that belief and that's all it is. It cannot and has not been proven scientifically.

 

No, so they'll understand what God hates, why He does, and they're obligation as followers of Christ to abide by what He says is right not by what we think is right.

Patrick </font>[/QUOTE]Where in the scripture does it say it is our obligation to make sure there are no homosexuals? Or murderers? Or rapists? Did God give us that much power? If so, someone took mine and I demand it back! </font>[/QUOTE]We're not saying get rid of Homosexuals. We're saying NO HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE. They can be gay all they want to be - just don't try to make us say it's all right. It's Not. It's a Sin.

I preach against all sin not just Gay Sin.

 

That's right, Aslanspal! Why would anyone make the choice to be persecuted and hated so much? I'm not convinced that God didn't make them that
way on purpose to see how we reacted to balancing his laws with the reality of some of our brothers and sisters being gay.

I don't remember Jesus being mean to anyone, especially not a sinner. How is that a way to win them over to Chrisianity. If it were me, I'd say, heck no! Who would want to belong to a group of self-righteous haters!

There must be a balance. God never intended for us to hate one another. </font>[/QUOTE]We don't hate Homosexuals.

We just do the same thing Jesus did. He told sinners to go and sin no more. He did not condone sin, period.

Listen I have friends who are sinners. We all do. But I don't petition Congress to grant them special rights to sin.

 

Agreed. It's sin. It's an abomination. Romans Chapter One.

I haven't read through this thread, so pardon me if this has been presented in an earlier post by someone.

But here's a question: If we allow gays to be "married" legally, then polygamists must also be afforded the same equal protection under the law. And so must people who want to marry their pets. And people who want to marry their commune. And people who want to marry their children. Etc.

Can of worms.

Gays wish they could find a gay gene. They've been searching for it for years.

Adulterers wish they could find an adulterer gene.

Child molesters wish they could find a child molester gene.

 

Thanks for your concern, npc. But it is still an Abomination. Romans Chapter One.

And - the scenario about polygamists, etc., is a logical conclusion under equal rights under the law, not a fallacy.

 

Even if many homosexuals are born that way(which I think is likely), that does not excuse their behavior. We are all natural born sinners and we are all responsible to resist sin regardless of our fleshly nature.

 

Tell that to someone who has contracted AIDS from a homosexual relationship. The homosexual lifestyle is one of two high risk behaviors known to spread HIV/AIDS. The other one is IV drug use.

 

I have a question: exactly when did marriage become more than a civil institution? Where in the Bible is marriage defined as a religious institution?

I know many homosexual people, and there are several in my life, mostly as professional colleagues. Some I have met over the years. In my younger days I was very homophobic, and have said things for which I am ashamed. I have undergone a radical change since then. I have even hugged a homosexual man as he wept when his life partner fell victim to pneumonia after AIDS left his body defenseless against the virus.

These people have the same choices we have, and this is one that is theirs to make. In the end, they must stand alone and give account of what they have/have not done. As far as I am concerned, that is between them and The Almighty.

Some in this discussion have said that the Bible speaks against homosexuality. Those Passsages are found in the Old Testament. If they are going to take a hard-line approach with respect to what is said, are they also advocating the stoning of adulterers? What about cheeseburgers, cotton/poly blends, and the length of the tassels on our rainment? Remember: we cannot pick and choose those things in The Bible we are going to enforce.

I have absolutely no problems with civil unions for homosexual couples. This does not compromise the marriage vows I took, and as long as my church is not required to perform the ceremonies, I think it's really not my problem. America is fighting a war on terror, and a war in Iraq. These are the issues upon which we should focus.

Regards,
BiR

 

Romans 1:26-28 (ESV)
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; [27] and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[28] And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

 

Actually, multiple sexual partners is one of those two "high risk behaviors" you mention. AIDS does not discriminate between homosexual and heterosexual.

God's Blessings to you and your family, LadyEagle,
BiR

 

Yeah, okay?
Where does it outline what we should do? As this Scripture points out, it is between them and God, which is a point I have already made.

Regards,
BiR

 

You said the Bible only spoke against homosexuality in the Old Testament. I was simply pointing out that it does so in the New Testament as well.

 

Well, thanks for addressing that one point in my discussion, Ken. A point worth noting is that I asked a question in the very beginning of my post that you apparently saw fit to ignore.

Regards,
BiR

 

Two years from now, I think more bricks will be
in the proof wall that gays are born the way they
are. Imho...we really are talking over each other
because of positions we have taken or stand upon
that means "nothing changes" and those people may
be right...it is a behaviour...it is a choice...
it is a sin....but I am banking on that it is something else,but time needs to pass and the leaps of genetic science needs to keep moving forth giving us more and more information.

Someone said:
"You can't be sure that children are born as Heterosexuals and Homosexuals. All you have is the testimony of the Gays who want you to believe that. Everything they aspire to hangs on that belief and that's all it is. It cannot and has not been proven scientifically."

actually the science is moving toward it being
genetic...the tipping point is years away ..the latest is the genetic manipulation of a fruit fly
which (laugh if you want) is one more brick in the wall.
http://www.teachthefacts.org/2005/06/gay-gene-found.html


I hope somebody will realize we have had this
debate Ad nauseum before and realize the conclusion or the answers are years away for either vindication or failure.


Sincerely
Aslanspal