Saddumb's weapons of mass destruction

13. Whenever the declared policies of the Western countries stood in the way of an arms deal, Western governments used two methods to get around their own rules and thereby manage public opinion.

14. When Saddam did in fact use chemical weapons against his own people, he did so on the afternoon of 17 March 1988, against the Kurdish city of Halabja. The United States provided diplomatic cover by initially blaming Iran for the attack. The Reagan Administration tried to prevent criticism of the atrocity. The Bush (senior) administration authorised new loans to Saddam in order to achieve the goal of increasing US exports and put us in a better position to deal with Iraq regarding its human rights record.

15. The US Department of Commerce licensed the export of biological materials—including a range of pathogenic agents—as well as plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities and chemical-warhead filling equipment—to Iraq until December 1989, 20 months after the Halabja atrocity.

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"Yeah. Right. The CIA hatched a plot in the 1950s to bring a 14 year old boy to power in Iraq. Uh huh. Sure."

Saddam was born April 28, 1937 the botched attempt on Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim was in 1959. Hmm, let me see he would have been, oh gotta use my toes hang on, okay, 21 not 14.

"I got it from a member of my church who escaped from Iraq about 15 years ago. He is writing a history of The Ba'ath Party and Saddam's rise and fall."

OIC, a source the rest of us aren't privy too.

"I will leave that up to you. (Oh, and you might do an internet search for the proper use of "your" and "you're.")"

Well, you know how bad the education is one gets from a public school. At least we learned to subtract.

"Sure. Give an internet link. We all know everything on the internet is God's own Truth."

Not until it's backed up with official documents. Which I so willing provided for your reading pleasure.

"Better yet, try going to a library and get some real books, with real pages, from known and respected authors and publishers, and do a little real research."

Been there done that. The internet search is easier to do while I'm in front of my computer providing real live official government documents. 10,000 pages worth from real live government officials some even in their own real live handwritting, signatures and all.

I guess when all else fails use insults. Typical political rhetorical tactics.

 

None of what you said boils down to the conspiracy theory you profess and even if 9 out of 10 things about it were true, it matters none now...he is no longer in power and in jail, about to be tried for heinous offenses to his countrymen. Are you saying that because he received some acknowledgement from the US government, at some point in his life, that he should be let go? I dont understand this thinking.

Whatever weapons he had, received from whomever sold them to him, he acted outside what is generally considered defense of his nation when he invaded Kuwait. The world (not just the US) told him to knock it off, and he, in one of the first of many years of doing this, thumbs his nose. So he was attacked, pushed back, and told he could remain in power, but must disarm. He signed an armistice agreement agreeing to destroy the weapons inventory that was listed.

Your comments might have me leap in logic that you believe him to be some kind of great leader and all around general good guy (perhaps if we could get away from the sarcasm of public schools for a little while).

He is not. While his countrymen were being subjected to the wiles of his sons (and if you want to have a discussion about evil, we could really start there), he was writing his memoirs. When he was picked up from the spider hole that some young yet observant Soldier spotted (likely playing with the NVGs that were issued and got lucky), he was living like a sewer rat, with a pistol. He was told that if he resisted, he would be forced to comply and then asked if he understood that. And he stated that he did. Then as he was about to be processed, he made a move, and resulted with a sandbag over his head and ziplock ties on his wrists. Must have been a proud proud day for the Hussain family and all Iraqi people.

So he thumbs his nose, allows his evil spawn to do whatever they wish, authorizes people to be taken from their beds at night to never be heard from again, continues to make statements specifically goading the world into really thinking that grandpa is ready for the home, and magically has a weapons program that he agreed to not have. Hmmm. Yeah he deserves all the respect and excuses that you can muster up.

If an American acted like that, you would be getting the rope and you know it. I am just curious why you are willing to excuse this behavior when it is plainly you and I that could have easily been his intended target.

Could you shine some light on that?

 

Maybe it started in Genesis, Chapter 1 Verse 1.

 

Micah 7:17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee.

 

Careful...Jesus came back up out of a hole in the ground...

 

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It does matter because we didn't learn from it, we're supporting the MEK right now today in destabilizing Iran. Iran ‘terrorist’ group finds support on Hill Just like we didn't learn from supporting Osama Bin Laden. CIA’s Toy Gone Awry

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he is no longer in power and in jail, about to be tried for heinous offenses to his countrymen.
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We set em up we knock em down. Been doin it for decades. Still settin em up today (MEK). We'll probably be having this same arguemnet after we take MEK out 20 years from now because they threatened our security or set off a bomb in one of our cities or flew a plane into one or two of our buildings.

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Are you saying that because he received some acknowledgement from the US government, at some point in his life, that he should be let go? I dont understand this thinking.
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Look, Saddam received more than "some acknowledment" from us okay? It's plain if you read the documents. It doesn't take that much thinking, if I can figure it out anyone can providing they want too.

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Whatever weapons he had, received from whomever sold them to him, he acted outside what is generally considered defense of his nation when he invaded Kuwait.

http://web.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/atirq_data.html

http://www.parascope.com/articles/1196/iraq2.htm
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We acted outside what was always considered to be outside the defensive actions of our nation when we accepted the idea of pre-emptive warfare on the basis of a "threat" now were in NYC at the UN building making it legal to use pre-emptive nuke warfare as long as it's done by a "legit government" on the basis of a threat, cool Mr Putin says, I'll sign on to that I always figured America to be a threat and Russia is a "ligit government" ya know.

And Saddam was more or less given the go ahead to invade Kuwait by April Gillispie who worked for G.H.W. Bush before he invaded.

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The world (not just the US) told him to knock it off, and he, in one of the first of many years of doing this, thumbs his nose.

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The world, not just us helped to arm him, gave him credit, looked the other way when he killed the kurds with the goodies he bought with our "acknowledgment".

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So he was attacked, pushed back, and told he could remain in power, but must disarm. He signed an armistice agreement agreeing to destroy the weapons inventory that was listed.

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So we armed him, we supported him, we made it possible for him to kill the Kurds looked the other when he dragged people out of bed, tortured them, killed their families, put them threw meat grnders etc ect. Told him we didn't care about "Arab Arab conflicts" Then we destroy his forces and leave him in power. Imagine his surprise, bu-bu-bu you gave me all this stuff and said you didn't care about "Arab Arab conflicts"

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Your comments might have me leap in logic that you believe him to be some kind of great leader and all around general good guy (perhaps if we could get away from the sarcasm of public schools for a little while).

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Then either you jumped to the wrong conclusion or you just want anyone else reading this to think I'm a traitor and your a bigger badder patritot than me. W-R-O-N-G.

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He is not. While his countrymen were being subjected to the wiles of his sons (and if you want to have a discussion about evil, we could really start there), he was writing his memoirs.

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So, it was a different kind of evil he was doing while we were supporting him, arming him, giving him credit to buy more weapons? Why wasn't it a big then? Was he a different person, were his sons differnet when he was our "ally"? Why was it only a big deal when we wanted to invade and do the regime change thing?

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When he was picked up from the spider hole that some young yet observant Soldier spotted (likely playing with the NVGs that were issued and got lucky), he was living like a sewer rat, with a pistol. He was told that if he resisted, he would be forced to comply and then asked if he understood that. And he stated that he did. Then as he was about to be processed, he made a move, and resulted with a sandbag over his head and ziplock ties on his wrists. Must have been a proud proud day for the Hussain family and all Iraqi people.

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So, you'd act like a tough guy knowing the whole world was out to do you in? After the world armed you, supported you, looked the other way when you killed your own people, let you do evil in your evil little world we allowed you to build (helped you to build) then we turned it upside down vowed to kill you and search till we found you to do it?????? Riiiight.
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So he thumbs his nose, allows his evil spawn to do whatever they wish, authorizes people to be taken from their beds at night to never be heard from again, continues to make statements specifically goading the world into really thinking that grandpa is ready for the home, and magically has a weapons program that he agreed to not have.

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Like I said all this kind of evil behavior was overlooked and was no big deal when he was our "ally" he was just a swell guy then, he was only an evil monster that ate babies alive when we wanted to invade his country.

It's so wierd how you guys can sit there and overlook the whole history bewteen Saddam and the USA and the rest of the world before the first Gulf war then whip up all this stuff to justify a pre-emptive attack.

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Hmmm. Yeah he deserves all the respect and excuses that you can muster up.

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Is that your last cheap shot at trying to paint yourself a bigger badder patriot than me? I hope so it's soooooo boring. Not to mention unfounded, untrue and a bit cliche.

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If an American acted like that, you would be getting the rope and you know it.

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Your absolutely right I would!!! Only I wouldn't coddle him, give him weapons, credit, support him, look the other way while he commited atrosities on his own people and ate babies alive and make excuses or say nothing at all till I wanted to build a case to invade and occupy his country. Then paint him to be just exactly what I knew he was from the very begining!
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I am just curious why you are willing to excuse this behavior when it is plainly you and I that could have easily been his intended target.

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No your not, you just want to feel like your a bigger badder patriot than me, so you'll just continue to overlook historical facts that you find easier to deny or forget than admit that the government of the United States has had the stupidest foreign policy of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Our "friends" have killed many of us because of this policy and it doesn't change. It just keeps rollin on. Set em up and knock em down after they turn on us and kill us of course.

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I reckon I just did, if you happen to walk into the wall right after this it's because your eyes are closed or you need a new light bulb and that ain't my fault.

 

While many have thought that Saddam first became involved with U.S. intelligence agencies at the start of the September 1980 Iran-Iraq war, his first

[[[CONTACTS WITH U.S. OFFICIALS DATE BACK TO 1959]]]

when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.


1959-1937=22 I figured 21 because there was a margin for error. I didn't know if his first contact with the CIA was before he turned 22 or not. But either way my math still bested yours. And you say your (or you're) educated and I admit to only having a high school diploma. Now that is sad. But I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt, maybe your (or you're) calculator batteries were dead or maybe your (or you're) glasses need cleaning or adjusting.

Didn't they teach history in your school either? Never mind it was probably called social studies and taugh by UNESCO teachers. That's okay I understand.

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1983 photo - Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam

 

Hey hey Donny baby, sup brother? You get that deal okayed with George's bank yet or what? COOL.

 

EXRA! EXTRA! Read all about it. New york times reports WMDs in Iraq then reports they were wrong and apologizes.

 

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