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Katrina - God's punishment on the U.S

Ben W

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Jacob Prasch, a popular discernment speaker has written this article speaking out against the government of the U.S and states that Katrina occured as a result of George W Bush's association with the Saudi Goverment. Blame is also attributed to the U.S for forcing Israel to give up the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians.

I have seen those Michael Moore films about Bush and the Saudi's. yet I am not convinced that is true. Yet I concede that he may well have some connections as he does with other nations globally.

His point is that this happened because the U.S have violated Genesis 12:3.

So I am curious, do you agree or disagree? Does God send hurriccanes to kill people as a result of what their governments do? How does that sit theologically with you?

http://www.moriel.org/articles/notice_board/american_tsunami_gaza.htm
 

Bro. Curtis

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My ways are not his ways. It would be an exercise in futility to try and understand God's motives, or methods.
 

OldRegular

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"In the never ending quest to do the bidding of the oil interests and placate The Saudi Islamic fundamentalist business partners of his family at the expense of the national interests, as we warned Mr. Bush is bringing God’s wrath upon America because of Genesis 12:3.

As he forces Jews to evacuate their homes to please oil companies, Americans are now forcibly evacuated and the oil industry is clobbered by a natural disaster devastating its off shore drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico and its Gulf Coast refineries."

The above is an excerpt from the posted link.

This is pure dispensational hogwash. To say that God is going to punish those who have been redeemed to Him by the death of Jesus Christ because of the Jews is blasphemous. Besides this country is the only friend that Israel has in the world. If we had not been proping them up the Muslims would have destroyed them long ago. furthermore the nation Israel is a creation of the UN, not God.
 

Ben W

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Well there you go OldRegular, We totally agree on something!


Blasphemy is a term that does not seem to be used that often, yet I think it is something that Christians need to be more aware of, and how they respond to it.
 

KenH

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Originally posted by Ben W:
So I am curious, do you agree or disagree? Does God send hurricanes to kill people as a result of what their governments do? How does that sit theologically with you?
I disagree.

No.

Not well.
 

poncho

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Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ben W:
So I am curious, do you agree or disagree? Does God send hurricanes to kill people as a result of what their governments do? How does that sit theologically with you?
I disagree.

No.

Not well.
</font>[/QUOTE]I agree Ken. If God really were to punish us for what our governments have been up to we'd all be dead long ago.

I don't know what God thinks about all this but I wonder why we keep putting up with such blatant corruption in government, all governments.
 

hillclimber

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
"In the never ending quest to do the bidding of the oil interests and placate The Saudi Islamic fundamentalist business partners of his family at the expense of the national interests, as we warned Mr. Bush is bringing God’s wrath upon America because of Genesis 12:3.

As he forces Jews to evacuate their homes to please oil companies, Americans are now forcibly evacuated and the oil industry is clobbered by a natural disaster devastating its off shore drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico and its Gulf Coast refineries."

The above is an excerpt from the posted link.

This is pure dispensational hogwash. To say that God is going to punish those who have been redeemed to Him by the death of Jesus Christ because of the Jews is blasphemous. Besides this country is the only friend that Israel has in the world. If we had not been proping them up the Muslims would have destroyed them long ago. furthermore the nation Israel is a creation of the UN, not God.
Excellent reply
 

Aaron

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Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
My ways are not his ways. It would be an exercise in futility to try and understand God's motives, or methods.
I see this an awful lot on this board, but it's an erroneous sentiment. Our ignorance of God's ways is our undoing.

Psalms 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

It is not an exercise in futility. It is a necessary and fruitful exercise. Yes, God sent Katrina. Yes, He had a purpose, and that purpose is consistent with His ways that He revealed to us in the Scriptures. Prasch is wrong, but that doesn't mean that we can't know why God did something, or that we're not accountable to know.
 
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OCC

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"Besides this country is the only friend that Israel has in the world. If we had not been proping them up the Muslims would have destroyed them long ago. furthermore the nation Israel is a creation of the UN, not God."

Wrong! Are you their only friend? Will you always be? If "you" had not been propping them up? Sorry but my Bible says that NOONE will be able to destroy Israel. It says nothing about God needing the United States to keep destruction from happening. And if He DID need the U.S. to keep Israel from being destroyed...what took so long for your involvement in WW2??? I know you will say Israel did not exist but hey...Hitler WAS killing Jews.

As for Katrina...it was a hurricane. They've been around for many years...I don't see how this ONE hurricane can be called God's judgement. But if it were...hey...God will judge the U.S. as well...and Canada. Our "countries" are not "His redeemed" as OR said.
 

Bro. James

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"Judgement of God" or "fickle finger of fate"?

"The wages of sin is death..." is the judgement of God upon the inhabitants of this globe. How this plays out is manifested in many ways.

There are two ways God controls His creation: sovereign will and permissive will. We get all entangled in trying to understand permissive will. Permissive will is: allowing things to happen while withholding sovereign intervention.

Examples: God could have destroyed Satan and all fallen angels. God could have destroyed Adam and Eve for having sinned. God could have destroyed the whole world including Noah and the remnant on the ark. God could have prevented the death of Jesus. Jesus said He gave His life--it was not taken.

The people of God are not of this world--this world is going to melt with fervent heat--and everything in it and on it.

Don't look back--remember Lot's wife?

Selah,

Bro. James
 

OldRegular

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Originally posted by King James:
Our "countries" are not "His redeemed" as OR said.
You should read more carefully. I never said our countries were redeemed. God redeems people one at a time and that includes Jews. Furthermore, He redeems them all the same way, through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.

That being said there were obviously "true believers" in the states that were hit by Katrina.
 
O

OCC

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Originally posted by OldRegular:
"In the never ending quest to do the bidding of the oil interests and placate The Saudi Islamic fundamentalist business partners of his family at the expense of the national interests, as we warned Mr. Bush is bringing God’s wrath upon America because of Genesis 12:3.

As he forces Jews to evacuate their homes to please oil companies, Americans are now forcibly evacuated and the oil industry is clobbered by a natural disaster devastating its off shore drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico and its Gulf Coast refineries."

The above is an excerpt from the posted link.

This is pure dispensational hogwash. To say that God is going to punish those who have been redeemed to Him by the death of Jesus Christ because of the Jews is blasphemous. Besides this country is the only friend that Israel has in the world. If we had not been proping them up the Muslims would have destroyed them long ago. furthermore the nation Israel is a creation of the UN, not God.
O.R. I did read more carefully...see above. You didn't specifically separate God's redeemed from anyone. The subject was God's judgement on America and you basically said all Americans were God's redeemed. If you clarify it a little better I'm sure I'll understand what you mean.
 

prophecynut

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Our secret government did it.
Weather persons often refer to hurricanes as acts of “Mother Nature,” a personification which may not be far from the truth. For “Mother Nature” is an esoteric allusion to the Great Mother Goddess, and many of the recent hurricanes have distinctive characteristics that hint at an occult connection. At one time an antiestablishment underground, the global network of occult societies have now become the occult establishment, having managed to infiltrate and subvert the machinery of government to bring about a new world order. This fact of postmodern culture, which is well-documented on this website, suggests two probabilities related to the increasing frequency and severity of hurricanes in the United States: (1) that occultists in high places are creating and manipulating the weather using new, albeit secret, technologies and (2) that the names of the hurricanes have been pre-selected to convey occult messages.

There is compelling evidence that point #1 is not mere speculation, but fact. Trevor Ravenscroft wrote in The Spear of Destiny that Hitler said of the “New Man”: “Even the weather...would be subject to him.“ (pp. 250-1) In his 1970 book, Between Two Ages, former U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brezezinski (CFR/TC/B) mentioned “weather control” as a “new weapon” and a “key element of strategy.” In 1997, former Secretary of Defense William Cohen stated that electromagnetic weapons were being used to manipulate the environment:

“Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts.“

Thomas E. Bearden, a nuclear engineer, Director of the Association of Distinguished American Scientists and Fellow Emeritus of the Alpha Foundation Institute for Advanced Study (AIAS), has elaborated on William Cohen’s statement:

“These weapons...are...strategic weapons and they have been on site in Russia since 1963... the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM [electromagnetic] weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range.“ (1098)

Gordon J. F. MacDonald was an associate director of the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at the UCLA, a member of Pres. Lyndon Johnson’s Science Advisory Committee and is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. In his 1968 book, Unless Peace Comes: A Scientific Forecast Of New Weapons, MacDonald wrote a chapter titled “How to Wreck the Environment“ in which he stated that the seeding of hurricanes was in the experimental stages. MacDonald predicted that it would only be a matter of time before man would be able to steer hurricanes.

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/hurricanes.html
Just about every human being is totally unaware that technology exists NOW, whereby weather can be used as a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Please see all the links below which will explain this NEW SCALAR TECHNOLOGY, whose principles were developed by Nikolai Tesla. Tesla, whose name was literally eliminated from history books, gave the world alternating electric current, robotics, light bulbs and so much more of what we now call "modern technology". Tesla also had a plan of how he was going to give FREE ENERGY to everyone on Planet Earth and this is the main reason you do not read about this incredible man, who passed away in the early 1900's.

Today, Tesla's SCALAR technology is being used by the U.S.A., Russia, Japan and possibly others to create Weather Weapons of Mass Destruction. Since the People have not been made aware of this amazing technology, the individuals {the Illuminati}, who control the
world's major governments, can use Scalar technology "for profit" without being detected by the over six billion human beings on Planet earth.

http://rense.com/general67/waskatrinaamanmade.htm
See directional pattern of previous hurricanes:

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200517_climo.html

Now look at the direction Karina went, it should of curved up towards the east coast. Instead it stalled, turned 90 degrees southward for about 200 miles then returned to a normal pattern and struck New Orleans. Such an abrupt change in direction is unprecedented for a hurricane.

http://hurricane.accuweather.com/hurricane/storms.asp?partner=accuweather&myadc=0&storm=Katrina
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by King James:
An excerpt from the posted link:
[qb] "In the never ending quest to do the bidding of the oil interests and placate The Saudi Islamic fundamentalist business partners of his family at the expense of the national interests, as we warned Mr. Bush is bringing God’s wrath upon America because of Genesis 12:3.

As he forces Jews to evacuate their homes to please oil companies, Americans are now forcibly evacuated and the oil industry is clobbered by a natural disaster devastating its off shore drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico and its Gulf Coast refineries."
Response by OldRegular:
This is pure dispensational hogwash. To say that God is going to punish those who have been redeemed to Him by the death of Jesus Christ because of the Jews is blasphemous. Besides this country is the only friend that Israel has in the world. If we had not been proping them up the Muslims would have destroyed them long ago. furthermore the nation Israel is a creation of the UN, not God.
Response by King James:
O.R. I did read more carefully...see above. You didn't specifically separate God's redeemed from anyone. The subject was God's judgement on America and you basically said all Americans were God's redeemed. If you clarify it a little better I'm sure I'll understand what you mean.
KJ

Your conclusion is completely false and unwarranted. No reasonable person could read my response above and conclude that I am claiming all Americans are God's redeemed.
 
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OCC

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You better go back and read what you wrote then again brother...

"as we warned Mr. Bush is bringing God’s wrath upon America because of Genesis 12:3."

and:

YOU SAID: "This is pure dispensational hogwash. To say that God is going to punish those who have been redeemed to Him by the death of Jesus Christ because of the Jews is blasphemous. Besides this country is the only friend that Israel has in the world. If we had not been proping them up the Muslims would have destroyed them long ago. furthermore the nation Israel is a creation of the UN, not God."

And I'm a reasonable person. Care to clarify now?
 
O

OCC

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The above plainly states that you believe all Americans are God's redeemed. Any reasonable person would see that.
 

Marcia

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Aaron, were the hurricanes that hit Florida last year also God's judgment? Or are they not God's judgment because not enough people died? How many have to die for it to be God's judgment?

When the plane headed for DC on 9/11 crashed because the people on board stopped it, does that mean God was not bringing judgment on DC, the seat of our gov't? Or did God just bring judgment on the pentagon because it was hit?

Are the tornadoes in the midwest God's judgment?

I eagerly await your response.
 
O

OCC

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I wonder if the ineptitude of the Detroit Tigers is God's judgement on them because of the fans that burned cars, etc. when they won the World Series.
 
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