After 7 year tribulation

Ed Edwards · Aug 23, 2005

Thank you Brother DeafPosttrib, it is a delight
to visit with you. I know you work the evening
shift which makes it hard to have time to post.

The BB now has way to many Eschatological topics.
I'm spending more time on Eschatology than
working

I'll be responding to these and other matters
at this location:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3350.html
Click it and check it out.

(BTW, the non-baptists seem to be more
congenial than baptists anyway )

ituttut · Aug 25, 2005

Originally posted by DeafPosttrib:

I remember 'The Apostles' Creed' so well when I was in teen, took confirmation class at Lutheran School for the Deaf in Detroit, MI. I was required to memorized by writing down of Apostle Creed in the class.

'Apostles Creed' was written in year around 4th Century. Some believe it was written in the Second Century.

Hello DeafPosttrib. We need to keep this in view, viz. men wrote this 50 or more years after God closed His book. We have just entered into the realm of “tradition of man”.

The Apostle Creed says:

"I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, HIs only Son, our Lord: who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. The third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting."

*the word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ (actually, I do not feel comfortable with that word, I believe in both universal and local church. Understand, it means all nations of the world whosoever believth in Jesus Christ is the church.)

I agree this word is undesirable here, but somebody, or group set-up this creed of men giving a brief synopsis of their belief. It is not too far off, but leaves out a few vital points. I don’t see how this could be for the Christian in the Body of Christ. I don't see how this could be for the Jewish kingdom church.

You notice the statement of 'Apostles' Creed', there is no mentioned of '7 year tribulation', 'rapture', and 'a thousand years'.

Also, neither in 'The Nicene Creed' saying '7 year tribulation', 'rapture', and 'a thousand years' either.

'7 year tribulation', 'rapture', and 'a thousand years', these were not yet developing teaching among Christians during Early Church history.

Paul understood the “catching up” for he tells us what God taught him. John wrote what he heard and saw. So either the originators didn't believe the Word, or they thought these two points have nothing to do with our salvation. I believe the last to be their intent. These two truths are some of what we learn in studying His Word.

Also please notice the rapture and millennium are not known to man, until revelation was given to the one heavenly Apostle about heavenly things, and to one earthly Apostle about earthly things.

Many Lutherans, Catholics, Methodists, Reformers, and even also baptists use either 'Apostles Creed' or 'Nicene Creed' today.

I am 100% agree with both creeds. I have no problem with it. They are sound doctrine, and basic fundamental doctrine based upon Word of God.

Yes agree a doctrine of a foundation is found in these “creeds”. I don’t see how a Baptist could adopt either one. And I don’t see how the Catholic, and some others can accept the “Apostles Creed”.

Right now, we are in tribulations. Church must go through much of tribulations enter into the kingdom of God - Acts 14:22. Tribulations cannot be done till Jesus Christ shall come with His angels to judge the world at the second advent at the end of the world. When Christ shall come, and we all shall face before the judgment seat of Christ to judge us. Then, after that. Church shall reigning with Christ on new earth and in New Jerusalem for ever and ever.....without end. Amen.

I am looking forward to being resurrected before the “tribulation”.

Also, there is no biblical saying that a single unbeliever shall be survived and remain left beyond the judgement day at Christ's coming. All will be gone just same as in Noah's day, and Lot's day too. And there is no another chance for a unbeliever to repent of sins beyond Christ's coming according to Matt. 25:1-13; & Rev. 16:15. All unbelievers shall be judged and cast away into the lake of fire. There shall be no unbeliever left remain on earth once which, their names are not find written in the book of life. Only remain and left people shall dwell on new earth and in New Jerusalem beyond Christ's coming, these who are FOUND written in the book of life.

Very simple and plain.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
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As you believe the “great tribulation period” has started, will you tell us who the “two witnesses are/were”? Christian faith, ituttut Galatians 1:11-12

Ed Edwards · Aug 25, 2005

Of course, the two witnesses are the two
branches of Christianity:
Roman Catholic and Protestantism. NOT
This totally ignores the great Christian
Martyrs (over 20 million) who were slain
in the 20th century (1901-2000) by
Commy Russia and Commy Chinda: the Eastern
Orthodox Churches.

OldRegular · Aug 25, 2005

Originally posted by James_Newman:
Does Lazarus count? No, seriously, of course Christ is the firstfruit of the first ressurection.

That doesn't negate what John plainly told you in the scripture. The 'first resurrection' is ruling and reigning for the thousand years, and Christ will be there as well as those accounted blessed AND holy.
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What does

Christ is the firstfruit of the first ressurection.
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mean?

Ed Edwards · Aug 25, 2005

Rom 11:16 (KJV1611):
For if the first fruite bee holy,
the lumpe is also holy[/v]: and if
the root be holy, so are the branches.

OldRegular · Aug 25, 2005

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Here are the Five general resurrecions, 2 of which have taken place:
1. Resurrection of Jesus
WHO: Jesus
WHEN: 33AD
WHERE: Jerusalem
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal; because of the
resurrection of Jesus, all the other resurrections
are possible
References: Matthew 28:6, Mark 16:6, Luke 24:6-8

2. Resurrection of some Old Testament Saints
WHO: Some of those who died before Jesus believeing God, especially
those who believed in God's Messiah
WHEN: 33AD
WHERE: mostly in Jerusalem
WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal

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Ed

I have seen all this before. You corectly state that Jesus Christ is the First Resurrection. Those who have part in the First Resurrection are those who are the redeemed. The souls of the Saints who have already died are currently reigning with Jesus Christ from Heaven.

As for your second resurrection, there is absolutely no indication in Scripture that these Saints possessed a resurrection body like that of Jesus Christ and that they ascended to heaven. It is my belief that these bodies returned to the grave to await the general resurrection. This interpretation is supported by the following Scripture:

1 Corinthians 15:23, KJV
23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

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