Age of accountability and abortion

Craig, you can disagree with God when He says His ways and thoughts are higher than ours, but I won't. This does not say He does not and cannot use our logic to communicate with us, but it does say that we cannot attempt to understand Him using our logic.

Major B -- are you organized or what???

My only point I would want to add is that in Romans 10:18 Paul specifically states that all have heard the Gospel. Please reference the current thread in the Discussions section of whether those of other faiths can be saved. It has come down to an argument on whether all have heard the gospel or not.

 

Helen wrote,

The Bible says,

(NASB, 1995)

Helen, I believe what the Bible says rather than what you say. Nowhere in the Bible does it say or even remotely suggest that the logic that Jesus used was in any way or at any time different than the logic that I used, and the form of logic that He did use in John 10 is identical to the form of logic that I have been using in this thread. And, using that very same logic, we have this:

Helen’s premise: God’s logic is different than man’s logic

Fact: Jesus’ logic was identical to man’s logic

Conclusion: Jesus is not God.

You had better pray that the Watch Tower Society is not reading your posts, because if they are, you may find them quoting your posts in the next edition of Watch Tower Magazine to prove that Baptists no longer believe that Jesus is God!

 

To such as theses, not to them. The kingdom of heaven does not belong to children, but to anyone who becomes as a little child.

So, was Jesus saying we must become as little children in understanding, so that we are no longer accountable to Him and enjoy a defacto standing, or was he saying that we must become as little children in faith?

Well, faith of course. If anyone is saved, it is by grace through faith.

Don't be preaching another gospel. No one is saved by grace through ignorance.

 

I think both of you have distorted enough of what I have said and presented here that I don't need to go any further. This thread presents what needs to be presented and the reader can discern for him or herself.

 

We did not distort one word of what you posted. We simply compared what you said with what the Bible says, and we saw that you were distorting what the Bible says.

But you did distort what I posted. I showed that when simple logic is applied to your theology, the logical conclusion is that we SHOULD abort our babies and kill our children. You posted that my theology was very “scary,” but when the same simple logic is applied to my theology, the logical conclusion is that we should NOT abort our babies and kill our children. Therefore, the logical conclusion of YOUR theology is scary, but that is no reflection upon my theology.

You posted falsely that man’s logic is different that God’s logic, and I showed how in John 10 Jesus used precisely the same form of logic that I and other men use. I then showed that the logical conclusion of what you posted was that Jesus is not God because He did not use a different logic than man.

Helen, your words do not have to be distorted to prove that your theology is distorted, and we have proven in this thread that it is distorted, and that the logical conclusions that are drawn from your theology make God to be the God of the ridiculous and the absurd.

 

I don't know about you but I am against murder because Scripture forbids it.

 

Major B,

Good post.

Craig and Helen,

Craig makes some good points. The Apostle Paul said that he was willing to be lost if that could somehow save his people.

I could see a parent willing to murder his children, knowing that this was wrong, in order to "save" his children who had not reached the age of accountability. A parent who loved his kids so much that he would be willing to go to hell for them if it would guarantee their salvation.

The age of accountability does not have Scriptural support. The best that we can say is that some children who died as infants appear to be with God (David's son), some children are regenerated as infants, and some children appear to be lost as infants (1 Cor. 7:14).

 

I don't know about you but I am against murder because Scripture forbids it. </font>[/QUOTE]Abortion also is a direct insult to God, telling Him He doesn't know what's best. Using man's 'logic' to insult God is not something I want to be a part of on this thread or any other.

 

Because God is sovereign over conception, (Genesis 16:2, 20:17-18, 21:2; Ruth 4:13) He made us not we ourselves:

(Psa 100:3) Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

And there is nothing better for the estate of a man that he rejoice in his own works; he has one breath, once to live and once to die; and WHO shall bring him to see what shall be after him? It’s not another man’s choice.

(Ecc 3:18) I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

(Ecc 3:19) For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

(Ecc 3:20) All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

(Ecc 3:21) Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

(Ecc 3:22) Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?