Featured Free Grace Theology: Mocking God?

Keep in mind, when considering the title of the OP that Free Grace Theology is a system of soteriology, a theological 'camp' if you will, thus the phrase refers to that camp and not to the fact that salvation is by God's grace.

The soteriological view contained in Free Grace Theology teaches a person can apostatize from the faith, deny Christ, deny the Gospel, live in any number of habitual sins, and, is still saved. Adherents to this system teach a saved person may never exhibit any evidence of regeneration.

Popular proponents of this teaching are the late Zane Hodges, Charles Ryrie and Charles Stanley (among many others) and one notably from the past Robert Sandeman (reference 'Sandemanianism'). Dallas Theological Seminary is well known for this teaching as well. Furthermore there is a dichotomy drawn, in this teaching, between a 'believer' and a 'disciple'. This presumably makes allowance for the antinomian like teachings.

The above is only a brief description of the teachings from this camp, which are quite popular today. Perhaps some on this board are advocates of this newer theological camp?

Is this theological system biblical? Can a person sow to the flesh and still reap eternal life (Galatians 6:7-8)?

 

Thanks for your opinion, but actually this is necessary, just as all false teaching and teachers should be exposed. Thanks also for deeming the OP as persuasive in your language above, I appreciate your compliment.

I am certain you will, according to your stance, see to it that you treat others, in life, on this board, as you deem these false teachers should be treated.

 

Also, I would like to add the impossibility of actually mocking God. Self-deception is the issue; 'Be not deceived, God is not mocked.'

 

This same teaching is affirmed in carnal christian beliefs and has been around for years. It appears you're not familiar with the teachings of this system. That is difficult to fathom given you've been on a theological forum five years, and certainly the topic has been discussed and espoused here.

Try google and search for Free Grace Theology? Self-discovery is the best teacher for many, and I believe it would be advantageous for you to know about this false system and what it teaches. I highly doubt that providing a link to you would help this discussion, or that proof would cause you to believe the OP. Just a gut feeling here.

 

If you weren't deeming it persuasive then use another word besides rhetoric next time and say what you really mean by employing proper word choice.

Perhaps, but that is not even remotely the point, this is bigger than that and has to do with proper salvation and what it entails, looks like, something you don't necessarily grasp very well as later on you excuse this error.

They've in fact taught and continue to teach a false gospel. They are preaching the unconverted as converted, a false interpretation and application that 'belief alone' saves. You'd know this if you knew Zane Hodges arguments, Ryries, others.

We all have statements of belief. These statements are either affirmed or denied once said person teaches. They may say they believe concerning the gospel by a statement of faith, but they fall short on what that salvation accomplishes, showing a vast misunderstanding of the Gospel and soteriology. You do know that their gospel is a reaction against so-called 'Lordship Salvation', correct?

I've not misrepresented these men nor Free Grace Theology so put an end to your false accusations. By the way, below you will say I did represent them correctly. It is whatever you need to say at whatever point, even contradicting yourself, contradicting others in order for you to appear 'right'. Others have nailed you for this on other threads/topics. Wake up to yourself.

Let me see here, what I said was true/correct (and it is) yet above you said I misrepresented them, now you say the contrary.

Hmmm. Interesting. Back and forth, back and forth.

There is no need to post their 'doctrine in full' and such is an asinine standard especially in light of the fact I've represented them truthfully, and, that this is a forum, where nothing is exhaustive. The small portion I've given gives enough of the story for people to get it.

It is rightly applied to their teachings to others and is not out of context. Their teaching is that even living a lifestyle of sin, those who do can fully expect to reap everlasting life, so they've applied it to themselves. Their message is deceptive and false, an extension of their false gospel, which in their teaching means 'good news, believe, live any way you want, go to heaven'.

That is their gospel message.

Yep, which is what they teach in their soteriological system. You'd know this if you knew a fourth of what you claim to know about this system. Do you teach the same system yourself? Why or why not?

That is simply absurd, senseless, and laughable. You're all over the place and it is difficult to respect you when you're being disingenuous and deceitful.

First they teach it, then they don't, then they do, they are truthfully represented, then they aren't, then it doesn't mean they automatically mean they are doing that.

Do you realize how absolutely ridiculous you sound here?

Let me put it to you like this, in plain speech - they automatically and purposely teach their errors, they may be deceived into believing it, but they aren't teaching it by accident.

So you know their hearts and motives, kind of like God does, right? Get over yourself, you do not know this.

Where did I say they (the false teachers) themselves are mocking God? Quote where I made that statement.

My point is that those teaching others that they will reap eternal life while sowing to the flesh is self-deception, in that, they will reap what they've sown, and God will not be mocked, i.e. 'be not deceived'. Persons who teach this are in fact teaching a false Gospel, as Christ Himself in His Gospel never once mentioned nor encouraged that the result of the Gospel message is assurance for those who live in iniquity - note Matthew 7:21 and following.

There is your typical snide remark (typically it is name calling elsewhere) a habitual walk for you as witnessed on this forum by many and by One.

By the way, I am my 'pastor'.

 

Thanks for the link, I'll take a look at it Jerome.

 

Good, since you're not familiar with this and have only offered scorn, I would kindly ask you to refrain from responding to this thread. Thanks.