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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Martin Marprelate, Dec 24, 2015.

  1. InTheLight

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    Oh really? That excerpt doesn't say that repenting of your sins is necessary for salvation? It's right there in black and white!

    But, then again in the Calvinist world you live in:

    the world means the Elect
    whosoever means the Elect
    all means the Elect

    so I suppose you can rationalize and redefine what that excerpt says so it fits whatever you want it to say.
     
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  2. Iconoclast

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    It just shows you do not read with comprehension , thats all
     
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  3. DHK

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    Yes.
    See answer here. Your question, as it is, is fallacious.
    See my answer to your question here:
    http://www.baptistboard.com/threads...d-you-will-be-saved.97511/page-9#post-2194309
     
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    You also said this;
    Show where any cal anywhere says this? You cannot , so you demonstrate your ignorance by making such a statement. You want to be critical of Calvinism and you cannot get to first base in understanding what it is.
     
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  5. JonShaff

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    I'm pretty sure only calvinists know what Calvinism is LOL!!!!!
     
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  6. Iconoclast

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    Well it looks that way doesn't it? Either caricatures or clown type posts.
     
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    Show me where I questioned your salvation. You are proud to wear the label of Calvinist.
    A Calvinist is just what the name means: "follower of Calvin." If you don't like it do something about it.
     
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    I do....I just display your posts and it takes care of itself. Everyone is on to your methods now. Your posts just highlight your M.O.
     
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    And yet it is God that commands man to repent.
    God does not repent for man; he commands man to repent. You are a very confused person.
    Your theology makes God out to be schizophrenic.
    IT's theology is like this:
    God commands man: "Repent!" Then God says: "No, wait! I have changed my mind. I will repent on your behalf."
    Is your God so double-minded he cannot make up his own mind.
    The Bible commands all men everywhere to repent. God never promises that He will do it for them.
    It has nothing to with man-centered or God-centered theologies. It has to do with believing what the Bible says.
    Salvation was possible for the rich man. That is what Christ taught. You simply took my words out of context. Let's look at the verse again:
    Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
    --With God all things are possible. Rich men can enter heaven. That is what I said. But you put your words in my mouth saying what I didn't say. That is misrepresentation on your part, commonly called lying. Jesus did not say it was impossible for a rich man to enter into heaven, did he? Only if you take that phrase out of context did he say that, and that is exactly what you did.
     
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    This is hilarious! Yesterday I asked you where in the Bible does it say that repenting of your sins was necessary for salvation. You posted portions of the London Confession, writings from other authors and (by your count) 148 verses trying to prove it. Today you say you don't believe that repenting of sin is necessary.

    What, did you repent of that belief overnight?

    And then you lecture me about reading comprehension!

    Ha ha ha ha!
     
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    Where did I say that...post it !I said you cannot read with comprehension.If you could you would understand the posts , but it is clear you cannot.

    There is a difference between saying a person needs to repent of all sin....
    and saying a Cals teach a works based salvation.

    You feel the need to twist what i say as your hero does, but it is not going to work.
     
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    I'll just skip by dhk's slander, callow behavior and twisting of his words, my words and The Word and get right to the matter at hand;

    Here is what we have, it is dhk versus the Christ of God. The former says salvation is possible with man. The Christ of God says it is impossible. Dhk says, concerning salvation being possible with man, 'It is possible but difficult' showing that he believes, and preaches, man can do it, making it achieved by works.

    The Christ on the other hand says it's impossible, Matthew 19:26.
     
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    It is impossible....man - made legalistic efforts cannot save anyone. Only by the finished Work of Jesus Christ Can man be saved...

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Belief/faith/trust is NOT a work. It is how God chose us to respond to His Gospel Call.
     
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    here is some vintage DHK highlights as he debated Amy G and Bob B
    https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/sorrow-to-repentance.38978/page-5

    Look how Amy G took you to school

    dhk;
    Same Mo at work...look what he says here when he cannot answer
     
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    You certainly don't like the truth do you?
    The truth is very simple. It was just recently posted:
    Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes unto the Father but by me."
    Do you believe that? It is doubtful. You don't post like you do. Understand that the simple statement made by Christ is salvation by faith (sola fide).

    Your definition of repentance requires you to believe in a message of salvation by works which is no better than Hinduism, Catholicism, or any other world religion. It denies the grace of God in salvation. You have said that: "salvation requires that one repents from all their sin." That is a works-based salvation.

    What you have brought from past posts, (which you apparently agree with), is that salvation is emotional. Without your emotions one cannot be saved. After all, that is what sorrow is, an emotion. Like a little child: "I am sorry; I am sorry; I am sorry," cry, cry, cry. Very emotional. So you are sorry for your sins? That doesn't guarantee you salvation. Nowhere does the Bible teach that sorrow is a requirement for salvation. That was the debate, and you are now saying that it is. Honestly Icon! How many works do you have before one must be saved.
    Let me remind you that salvation is by faith and faith alone.

    But Icon says that salvation is by faith PLUS sorrow, plus repentance of all one's sins, plus waiting for God to give you the gift of repentance, and the gift of faith, plus, plus, plus, ...WORKS
    Salvation is by faith and faith alone.
     
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    In Britain, the familiar round £1 coin is shortly to be changed. The reason is that there are millions of forgeries in circulation. The one side, with a picture of the Queen, is almost indistinguishable from the real thing, but the reverse side is nothing like it. The ordinary man in the street can easily be deceived by these coins, but if you take them to a bank they will be refused and be shown to be worthless.

    So it is with your coin of salvation. One side, the side of faith, is reasonably accurate, but the other side, the side of repentance, is nothing like the real thing. My fear is that millions of people have this fake coin and when they come to present it before the throne of grace, they will find that it is worthless before God.
    Submission to the will of God entails sincere repentance of all known sin and a sincere desire to be a holy man or woman (Matt. 5:48).

    Why then is repentance mentioned so many times in the NT? Why are 'all men everywhere' commanded specifically to repent?
     
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    What do people repent of?


    Repent of unbelief/lack of faith/trust in Christ/messiah/finished work of Christ

    Turn from self as god and turn to the One True Living God.

    John 16:8-9 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    Of sin, because they believe not on me;
     
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    The statement as posted is wrong.
    God saves people ....from their sins....not in their sins-
    mt1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
    Saved people turn from sins unto God....that is repentance.
     
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    Each of you who has shown dhk his errors, which are many, on HIS doctrine of repentance and are accurate in your assessment.

    But that is only the tip of the iceberg and you are missing a bigger issue.

    DHK has said that salvation is possible with men. He said; 'It is possible, but it is difficult' concerning a mans ability. That is works salvation. Saying 'but it is difficult' is placing man as the captain of his own salvation, shows that he must use effort, for, 'it is possible'. But few of you are calling him on this huge error and need to take a look at what he is saying here.

    Christ on the other hand has said that with man it is impossible; 'When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    Clearly dhk is teaching salvation by works, by effort of man.
     
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