Featured Debunking Unconditional Eternal Security: Hebrews 10:39

They have to be covered once they are committed, don't they? Will any sin either past or future go unnoticed by God, and considered not a matter related to the Atonement?

Have to get going, have a great day.


God bless.

 

You are a Father of a Child who you Love and Resolved in every way to protect and to give everything that's yours. You resolve never to abandon him ever, no matter what wickedness he does in your eyes your child is elected, saved.

He now become a depressed alcoholic drunk throwing away his will. The problem isn't he broke rule 13 or law #1. The problem isn't well you get your keys taken away for this.

The problem is in the SIN itself. The suffering you put yourself through.

You are a son of God? That means no sin is ever going to slide. How could it? God loves you!


Listen to you guys its like if your child jumps in a pool that says "NO SWIMMING". So you find your child scream and choking gurgling for help inside the pool. You don't pull him out, because the one thing on your mind is......The rules say "NO SWIMMING" there is a ,100$ fine for it, Its a good thing Jesus Christ has paid that off! He gurgle and gasps for air, don't worry son, Jesus is going to pay the FINE!

YOUR SON IS STILL DROWNING!

Every time you sin you are still drowning!

 

So you are saying that those sins are covered also? And again, we are talking about your future sins.


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I didn't really bother to read beyond this point. If you truly believe a regenerated, born again, crucified with Christ and raised to new life in Him believer can "return to a life of wickedness and unrepentance", then you're too ignorant of the most elementary tenets of Christianity to waste my time with.

But, for the edification (I hope) of those following along, here's something I posted elsewhere:

 

As we have discussed, the context of Hebrews 9-10 centers on the focal issue of remission of sins.

By covered, I am taking about the same thing we have been discussing all along, that is, they are "covered" by the Work of Christ, meaning they are forgiven based on His Death in our stead.

So the question posed to you at this time is/was "Were the sins that you have not committed yet also been forgiven at this time, more specifically, when you were saved?"


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And what is the basis for you being forgiven those future sins? You say the Blood of Christ, right?

I agree, that is the only means of forgiveness.

And that is what the Writer means when he states...


Hebrews 10:14

King James Version (KJV)



14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Now, what we do when we try to make the sin in view in Hebrews 10:26 refer to individual sins, is we negate what he says here, and what you say.

You are assuming that the sin you commit in the future differs from the sin of those who tread underfoot the Son of God, Count His Sacrifice unholy, and resist the Holy Spirit.

What you are assuming is...that can't happen to you.

Now how bad does one have to sin in order to be worthy of death? Could you answer that for me?

Also, I would be curious if you would share with me what denomination you were saved under.


God bless.

 

A list is not necessary, we simply understand that anything in opposition to the will of God is sin.

But you are missing the point. You use the word Apostasy, now, let's examine what Scripture actually teaches about apostasy.

Again, in view are not individual sins, or specific sins, in regards to salvation, because Christ covered all sins imaginable in the Cross. But in view, our rejecters have rejected that which can bring remission of sins.

I am not saying individual sins don't matter, because we see a principle set forth in Scripture that all sin will be judged, and there will be varying degrees of punishment. But, again, in view when we speak about remission of sin, it is a matter of first the penalty for sin being paid and secondly it refers to the person, rather than the individual sins that person has committed. Those who commit heinous sin will be saved the same way as those who have committed lesser sins. It might be likened to Marine Boot Camp. One might go through boot camp up until the day before it's over, and if they wash out, they are not then called Marines. They just didn't get to the point where they became Marines.

Same thing with these who reject Christ, His Sacrifice, the Covenant, and the Holy Spirit. They have assembled with the brethren, yet forsake. And in ight of the context, which I have reiterated numerous times, in view is remission of sins through sacrifice. The Writer makes it clear that the sacrifices they once offered can no longer be offered, that is why there remains no more sacrifice for sins.

I would agree, but, where you err is to make those who are apostate...born again believers.

They are not for the simple fact that they have rejected that through which they can be saved. They reject that forgiveness Hebrews 10:14 speaks of as being complete and forever.

You create a paradox, making remission of sins both for ever and not for ever. Complete and incomplete.

And you have no Scriptural basis for that, because Hebrews is quite clear in distinguishing that which is complete/perfect (the sacrifices of the Law) with that One Sacrifice which brings complete remission of sins, past, present, and future. Salvation is eternal, not simply a process of a clean slate and religious works. One is either saved, or he is not.


Continued...

 

We can know, Vooks.

Can you tell me why you think you are saved? Do you know that you have become a born again believer?

How are men saved, Vooks?

No, Vooks, all sin does not lead to death when we are speaking in a salvific context.

For the believer, the same penalty remains, "The wages of sin is death," but, for the believer, that death as a result of sin is physical, not eternal.

Again, you misunderstand sanctification, just as you wrest the use of apostasy to suit the doctrine you wish to teach.

You are not understanding that sanctification brings about a position of for ever forgiven, that is a basic principle of the Promise of God under New Covenant conditions. Scripture peaks of both positional as well as progressive sanctification. Christ was sanctified by God. Christ sanctified Himself through His Death. The sanctified believer is set apart from the world, just as Christ's Sacrifice is set apart from the sacrifices of the Law...that is the entire thrust of Hebrews 10.

You speak the truth, because you do indeed cherry-pick Scripture, holding in contempt anything you don't want to believe.

Because you demand Scripture conform to your own desired beliefs, you are blind to what Scripture states. You can no more understand Apostasy than you can Sanctification, because you simply don't want to.

Now, since an attempt to help you understand the contrast between believers and unbelievers, sacrifice of the Law and the Sacrifice of Christ, the Covenant of Law and the New Covenant have been unsuccessful, I suggest we take another approach, as I said, let's look at what Scripture teaches about Apostasy (contrasted with the preconceived notions you have about it which are likely a result to that which you have been exposed to as you sat under teaching wherever it is you were saved).

You say believers can become apostate, so...produce the Scripture that teaches this.


God bless.

 

This is your understanding of the passage, Vooks, not mine.

I do affirm the other two, they are simply Biblical Truths. But don't ascribe your error, in particular error you refuse to admit to, lol.

You continue to speak out of both sides of your monitor, amigo. And you refuse to acknowledge your ignorance concerning sanctification.

So here are two questions that illustrate your improper understanding:

1. Did God sanctify Christ.

2. Did Christ Sanctify Himself?


I hate to have to keep going over the same ground, but until you acknowledge a better understanding of sanctification, as well as admit to the limited understanding you have, we will go in circles.

But that's okay.

Now, in this thread I will seek to maintain focus on the two above questions.

In the other thread I am going to maintain focus on Apostasy. Both are terms you don't understand, and when you see you have no basis to maintain the definitions you impose into Scripture, hopefully this will help you to understand that your doctrine stands in direct conflict with what Scripture actually says.

Again, have a great day, and Lord willing I will see you at the mext appointed time.


God bless.

 

Well at least your honest.




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What was Jesus sanctified from?


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