Featured Dr. Paige Patterson speaks out

i dont know what more Calvinistic even means....please put it in context.

 

Presbyterian doctrines being pushed? Yea which ones?

 

Fair question, but not an easy answer. For militant five-pointers, they say the five pointers all stand or fall together. I don't believe that, but there is some truth there. I don't think there are only two ways to think about the issues (the old Arminian vs. Calvinism divide). I do not have a formal systematized understanding (nor do I think it is essential), but I lean very heavily toward Calvin's five points, but leave room for free will outside of God placing the choice to choose Him within us.

I think that militant five-pointers incorrectly label choosing Christ as a "work" and characterize it as "earning." Faith, including saving faith, is not opposed to effort, it is opposed to earning.

 

So thats what you call it .... (Compatibilist)! I have always believed that (1) We are all dead in our sins, (2) The HS revives us (3) We then develop a conscience & our heart begins to change to on of mercy & humility. This is basically an act of God & thus we are regenerated. Now I can choose on my own what I want to eat for lunch and if I want do fly a kite or go to work, that is my choice. God doesn't influence this.....otherwise we would truly be puppets with the lord pulling all the strings. Have I got the jist of it?

I agree.

 

Mark Dever tweeted:

 

Sure, 1 John 4:8 we see God is love, we know God created the angels and all creation was good. God loves all his creation.

The problem with the devil isn't God's love its the devil's own rejection.

From the catechism: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm
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393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
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Love of enemy is a quality of perfection that is God too.

Matthew 5
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.



Luke 15

1Now all the tax collectors and the sinners were coming near Him to listen to Him. 2Both the Pharisees and the scribes began to grumble, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.”
3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

8“Or what woman, if she has ten silver coins and loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? 9“When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin which I had lost!’ 10“In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”


God will "hate" the 99 and love the lost one. A good parent with 2 children, one is having a birthday party the other is in a hospital, the parent is going to go to the hospital.

As a Christian your priority should be the sinner to repent.

It may help to remember that a sin is something God doesn't want. The devil hating God is certainly a sin. The devil was once an angel most exalted one of all, anointed by God. Ezekiel 28.


If God hated the devil or anyone for that matter, The Devil would "win". Evil wants hatred, evil says violence, force, hatred gets things done.

The devil is not sin, but he sins.

 

Yes but there is a time He didn't....have you read Joshua?

The problem with the devil isn't God's love its the devil's own rejection.

From the catechism: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm
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393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
==

Love of enemy is a quality of perfection that is God too.

Matthew 5
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.



Luke 15

1Now all the tax collectors and the sinners were coming near Him to listen to Him. 2Both the Pharisees and the scribes began to grumble, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.”
3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

8“Or what woman, if she has ten silver coins and loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? 9“When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin which I had lost!’ 10“In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”


God will "hate" the 99 and love the lost one. A good parent with 2 children, one is having a birthday party the other is in a hospital, the parent is going to go to the hospital.

As a Christian your priority should be the sinner to repent.

It may help to remember that a sin is something God doesn't want. The devil hating God is certainly a sin. The devil was once an angel most exalted one of all, anointed by God. Ezekiel 28.


If God hated the devil or anyone for that matter, The Devil would "win". Evil wants hatred, evil says violence, force, hatred gets things done.

The devil is not sin, but he sins.[/QUOTE]

And he (the devil) entices to sin.... have you studied the devil much?

 

How very gracious.....but who is Mark Dever really? Is it that you think anyone really cares what he thinks, I certainly dont. ahhhh but anyway, Ive always believed that Baptists who believe in Doctrines of Grace should leave the SBC in mass......But not to Presbyterian Churches!!!!

wonder what that Purposeful Life Guy.....ahhhhh, oh Rick Warren would say?!?

 

Mark Dever was keynote speaker at the inaugural conclave of a(nother) 'Reformed Baptist' denomination last month:

https://www.reformedbaptistnetwork.com/speakers/

 

Seriously, I could not care less. His defense of PP is not condoned by many who clearly see his agenda. I didnt like PP's commentary.....it was offensive. At the very least, he should learn the differences between Presbyterian doctrine & Particular Baptist & Primitive Baptist beliefs.

 

I think you'll find you can.

Matthew Sattler shall be committed to the executioner. The latter shall take him to mthe square and there cut out his tongue, and then forge him fast to a wagon and there with glowing iron tongs twice tear pieces from his body, then on the way to the site of execution five times more as above and then burn his body to powder as an arch-heretic.

Do you think that might do it?

 

God has wrath upon te unsaved at time of Jesus coming again, correct?

 

He was upset tha there were some trying to get Baptist to become "reformed calvinists" such as Preby, correct?

 

He was talking about these young cals who hold to this "New Calvinism" which holds to doctrines and practices contrary to Baptist Doctrine.

 

Albert Mohler is one of the biggest names of the New Calvinist movement. What does he hold contrary to baptist belief?

Or even Matt Chandler....what does he hold contrary?

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