Sunday Sermons

tamborine lady,

I never took you for a Sabbath promoter. Nice post.

Jesus our God says: "the Sabbath was made for man....." (Mk. 2: 27-28).


The Jews got into so much trouble with God for polluting the Sabbath in previous centuries BC, that they knew better than to forsake the Sabbath. THE SABBATH IS the LORD'S SIGN (Ex. 31:13)-----no wonder Jesus is then LORD OF THE SABBATH (Mk 2: 27-28).


All mankind will be keeping the Sabbath in the Millenium (Isa 66:23).

 

I found this on another bulletin board:

"Seventh-day Adventism is a legalistic, which keeps its members in the slavery of legalism. The Holy Spirit is blocked and not given place in the church for that reason, It is just an organization like any other non Governmental organizational. Among other things, they believe that those of us who worship on Sunday have accepted the mark of the beast and are hell-bound. Saturday is THE Sabbath...no other.
They believe in strict eating laws, and that those of us who eat unclean food are hell-bound."


Care to elaborate on your false prophet Ellen G. White.


Beats me why SDA's are allowed to post on this Christian message board.

 

tamborine lady,

I never took you for a Sabbath promoter. Nice post.

thanks Wopik!!

Just so you will know, Prophecynut. I am not a Seventh Day Adventist!!

Just because someone keeps the sabbath, it does not AUTOMATICALLY make them a SDA!!

Ellen G. White is a false prophet. Half of her junk was taken from the writings of other people, so nothing she says (as far as I am concerned) has any merit at all.

There are a lot of other things they preach that I don't agree with either!!

But, back to the Synagogue and the sabbath. As someone else has already said, it was so much a part of life in the NT days, that it was not needed that they should keep telling people to worship on the sabbath. They already knew it was a Holy day.

Jesus and Paul and Peter didn't mention it because it was so OBVIOUS, there was no need!!!

Just because some catholics came along and changed it, doesn't mean it is right.

But, Sunday worship has been going on so long now that it cannot be changed. I know that!

Perhaps the Sabbath should be sdded. Worship God all week-end.

God Bless,

Tam

 

Worship God every day.

Titus 2:9-11
"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unnprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that,have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."

 

prophecynut,

Titus 2:9-11. Jesus and Paul contiually discussed the Law to the Jews and Gentiles.


tamborine lady

But it can be changed in individual Christians. Lone individuals or small groups who want to obey and love the Creator God and walk through the "strait gate" to salvation that FEW will find (Matt. 7:12-14).

Luke
12:32
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.


God gives His Holy Spirit to those who OBEY Him (acts 5:32).

 

like comparing a real dollar bill with a counterfeit bill, only an expert can tell them apart.

How do you become an "expert" ? Keep reading the Bible (cover to cover) and praying for understanding and guidance.


Paul told his close friend Timothy that the Holy Scriptures Timothy knew from a child were able to make him wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus (2 Tim. 3:15).

The only Holy Scriptures Timothy would have known from a child were the OT Scriptures.

 

Hebrews (Revised Standard Version)
4:9
So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God;


4:9 (Bible in Basic English)
So that there is still a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.


what more translations; take your pick.

type in "hebrews 4:9" ---

http://bible.crosswalk.com/ParallelBible/


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type in "rest" and find out that the "rest" in Hebrews 4:9 is the more noble "Sabbatismos".


http://bible.crosswalk.com/InterlinearBible/

 

prophecynut,

1 Cor.
9:8
Do I say these things as a mere man? Or does not the law say the same also?


9:9
For it is written in the law of Moses, "You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain." Is it oxen God is concerned about?


9:10
Or does He say it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written, that he who plows should plow in hope, and he who threshes in hope should be partaker of his hope.


Those are mighty words of Paul to the NT Church.

 

Translation: "I could not find a logical Bible based argument against Christ the Creator's own Holy day made holy at Creation -- so I am going to rant against SDAs for a while instead of posting an actual argument".

I am surprised that you caved so soon PN.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Some people are sooo busy bashing Christ the Creator's own Holy Day MADE holy at Creation WEEK that they will be surprised to see THEMSELVES doing exactly as God's Word states in Is 66 "FROM SABBATH to SABBATH".

Should be a real treat for Sabbath keeping Christians to see everyone else finally on board!!

Better late than never!!

In Christ,

Bob

 

According to Wopik the "strait gate" is the SDA religion and confirms what I posted from another board:

A sure sign of a cult!

 

Bob, you're misquoting Wopik, I'm the one who said those in the Millennium will keep the Sabbath.

 

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Among other things, they believe that those of us who worship on Sunday have accepted the mark of the beast and are hell-bound. Saturday is THE Sabbath...no other.

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Well in looking for "Something" that was actually true in your last post I find "Saturday is the Sabbath -- no other".

That is as close as you got.

Actually God said "From evening until evening shall you celebrate Sabbath" so that would be Friday-Evening to Saturday-Evening "and no other".

You seem to be in error on almost everything else.

But the point (of the thread) remains.

People like D. L. Moody and others have taken the Ten commandments to REMAIN and the Sabbath commandment to STILL APPLY (though they would edit Christ the Creator's day to be one of their own choosing).

Others will argue that God's Law is NOT "up for editing" and that you either have to obey it or toss it all out the window -- choosing in that case to toss God's commandments all out the window.

Those are two contradictory ways to view God's Law with the only "common goal" being to eliminate Christ the Creator's OWN Holy Day.

The "Sunday Sermon" OP seems to be more pointed at the first view - KEEPING the Sabbath Commandment as BINDING -- but editing it to fit man's traditions.

Christ had something to say about editing the commandments on behalf of man's traditions in Mark 7.

What do you think of His statement there?

What do you think of D. L. Moody's position on the Sabbath Commandment?

(I am guessing we all know that Moody was not a Seventh-day Baptist, or Seventh-day Adventist or Seventh-day Church of God or ...)

In Christ,

Bob

 

Bob, you're misquoting Wopik, I'm the one who said those in the Millennium will keep the Sabbath. </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry about that - I just hit the "quote button" and deleted all but the last sentence in the post.

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3232/7.html#000100

The "originally posted by" statement is from the system.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Very true.

 

Bob, you're misquoting Wopik, I'm the one who said those in the Millennium will keep the Sabbath. </font>[/QUOTE]At the time God spoke this prophecy through Isaiah -- the Ten commandments were in full effect (by everyone's standard) and yet "ALL MANKIND" was not "having no other God's before the one true God".

Why do you suppose that was?

All mankind was also not conforming to the command to NOT "Take the name of the Lord in vain".

Why do you suppose mankind would be violating that commentment with the commandment in full effect?

And - oh yes -- "all mankind" was not in obedience to Christ the Creator's Holy memorial of Creation -- though the commandment was in full effect.

Why do you suppose that was?


When "ALL MANKIND" is in finally submitted to Christ's Holy Day - (at the 2nd coming) -- what do you suppose will finally have made "the difference"??

In Christ,

Bob

 

Amen Wopik!!

 

I think it's really ridiculous that so many Christians would answer "of course not" when asked if now that they are New Testament Christians and saved by grace, it is allright to kill your neighbor, or to steal from your neighbor or to worship idols (or break any of the ten commandments).

BUT when you ask if they need to keep the Sabbath, these same Christians suddenly express the belief that the Sabbath is the only commandment that doesnt need to be kept anymore. It doesnt make any sense at all.

What gives anybody the right to think THEY can put themselves in the place of God and decide that one of the commandments should be discarded? There is no biblical basis for this whatsiever.

The worst thing about it is that they seem to have no concept about the fact that its the Sabbath commandment, the fourth commandment, that identifies God as our CREATOR... which is the very reason why we owe our worship and respect to His authority in the first place. The Sabbath commandment identifies God, our CREATOR as the true God who "created the heavens and the earth and all that in them is" and spearates Him from all false gods. It is the very core of the ten commandments. The very commandment Satan absolutely hates and wants to obliterate the most.

Revelation 14:
6: And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7: Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8: And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9: And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

If those who are identified here as "God's people" are "they who keep the commandments of God" then even a child ought to be able to discern that then those who have the mark of the beast DO NOT keep the commandments.

And which is the very commandment that the angel is pointing out is being broken and needs to have people pay attention to?

Verse 7:"Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters ."

The angel quotes right out of the old testament, the fourth commandment:

Exodus 20:
10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Deuteronomy 6:
1: Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
8: And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

The ten commandments were to be a "a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes."

on the hand and on the forehead. God's sign. the commandments... God's people.

Rv:13:16: And he (the beast) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

The Bible says that the beast (little horn power) would "think to change times and laws.) Daniel 7:25.

Dan:7:25: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws


Let us read a most challenging statement made by the Catholic Church. They have done exactly what God predicted they would do.

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret, even divine laws....The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth with most ample power of binding and loosing the sheep."-From the Prompta Bibliotheca published in 1900 in Rome by the press of the propaganda.

"The pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."-Decretal de Translat, Episcop. Cap.

The pope's will stands for reason. He can dispense above the law, and of wrong make right by correcting and changing laws."-Pope Nicholas, Dis. 96.

We can read what the issues are in the end times... and even now. And it is just ridiculous to accuse Seventh Day Adventists of being a "Cult" because they simply are capable of actually reading and accepting what the Scriptures so plainly say. Thats the easy way out, instead of just facing the truth. The Christian Church has been under a terrible deception and needs to come out of it. The Catholic Church has just plain put itself in the place of God and has changed the Sabbath commandment and obviously God is not happy about that.

Rv:18:4: And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Rv:12:17: And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rv:22:14: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

So people can claim the Seventh Day Adventist Church is a "Cult" all they want but it doesnt change the facts. And it doesnt change the warning message that God has seen fit in His infinite wisdom and mercy to give to us all.

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Claudia Thompson

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Just a little additional info for those who have never read this:

"They allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appear, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, they say, is the power and authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments." Martin Luther, Augsburg Confession of Faith, art. 28.

Let us read a most challenging statement made by the Church. They have done exactly what God predicted they would do.

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret, even divine laws....The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth with most ample power of binding and loosing the sheep."-From the Prompta Bibliotheca published in 1900 in Rome by the press of the propaganda.

"The pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."-Decretal de Translat, Episcop. Cap.

The pope's will stands for reason. He can dispense above the law, and of wrong make right by correcting and changing laws."-Pope Nicholas, Dis. 96.

It is within the inspired words "think to change times and laws" that we discover the "mark of the beast."

The following are all authentic quotations that will definitely answer our questions as to what the "mark of the beast" is. Notice them carefully.

"The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."-Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893.

You will notice in this information that the Church declares that it was not God Who changed the day from Saturday to Sunday but that they, the papists, were the ones who made this change. The Sabbath was officially changed by the Papacy at the Council of Laodicea on March 7, 364 A.D. That was 43 years after Constantine declared Sunday the day for Christians to honor as a rest day.

"Question.-Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?"

"Answer.-Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her,-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."-Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, p. 174.

This quotation emphasizes the fact that since the world accepts Sunday as a day of worship, this acknowledges her supremacy.

"I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to any one who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.' The Catholic Church says, 'No; by my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' and lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church. 'Priest Enright, C.S.S.R., Kansas City, Missouri.

There is no question concerning the changing of Sabbath the seventh day to Sunday the first day by the Papacy. You can readily see that there is nothing to be found in the Bible about changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. The Papacy is correct in stating that they changed the day.

"In reply to a letter of October 28, 1895, to Cardinal Gibbons, asking if the church claimed the change of the Sabbath as her mark, the following was received: 'Of course the Catholic church claims that the change was her act .... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.'-C.F. Thomas, Chancellor."

Sunday is the mark of authority of the Roman Catholic Church. It is the "Mark of the Beast." Of this there is absolutely no question, either in the Word of God or in history.

Are Protestant churches aware of these facts? Do they agree that there is no Scriptural authority for Sunday keeping? Let us now turn to the various Protestant churches and hear from them.

Presbyterian: "The Christian Sabbath (Sunday) is not in the Scripture, and was not by the primitive church called the Sabbath.'Dwight's theology, vol. 4, p. 401.

Congregational: "There is no command in the Bible requiring us to observe the first day of the week as the Christian Sabbath." Fowler, Mode and Subjects of Baptism.

Lutheran: "The observance of the Lord's day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the church."-"Augsburg Confession of Faith," quoted in Cox's Sabbath Manual, p. 287.

Friends, don't you think that when a church admits they are following a teaching not founded on the Word of God, they ought to change and follow God's Word?

Episcopalian: "The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a divine command in this respect, far from them and from the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday."-Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church, p. 186, translated by Henry John Rose, B.D. (Philadelphia: James M. Campbell & Co., 1843).

Here is another church that admits it was not the apostles' intention that the day of worship should ever be changed.

Methodist: "it is true there is no positive command for infant baptism .... Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week."-Rev. Amos Binney, Theological Compend, pp. 180, 181, 1902 ed.

Even our Methodist friends admit that there is nothing in the Bible directing us to keep Sunday holy. Let us turn to our friends the Baptists:

Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author of The Baptist Manual, before a group of ministers, made this candid admission:

"There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week, with all its duties, privileges, and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament, absolutely not. There is no Scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week.

"Of course," he continues, "I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!"-From a paper read before a New York Ministers' Conference, held Nov. 13, 1893.

 

...just want to add another thought...

It is a terrible shame that nowadays so many Christians have gotten used to throwing this word "Cult" around... that just because a group of people actually have determined that they are going to do what THE BIBLE SAYS instead of what THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS.. this makes them "a Cult".

It is completely ABSURD.