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  1. NetChaplain

    NetChaplain Well-Known Member
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    If we do not understand that all our sins, including future ones are already forgiven at rebirth there will also be inconsistency in understanding the permanency of faith and “eternal salvation” (Heb 5:9) and the promise that “all things works together” for the “good” of the believer.

    When we are “accepted in the Beloved” (Eph 1:6) at rebirth God has taken into account what He knows concerning our present and future sins, and when considering His “work” (Phil 2:13, Rom 8:28), there can be no unforeseen element interrupting our union with Him.

    The foundation of spiritual growth in the faith is in the surety concerning the permanency of redemption, which is actual in the life of all believers, even if this is yet to be understood! The significant disadvantage will be the inability to maintain a “clear conscience” concerning the guilt of sin, and the inability to “lay aside the weight and sin” in order to avoid being “beset” by them (Heb 12:1).
    -NC


    Bold Entrance

    “Let us draw near” (Heb 10:22). It is into the presence of the Father that believers are invited to come with boldness. Our salvation is, of course, the first thing; and next come love and service toward Him who saved us: publishing the good tidings to all whom we should reach. Third, we become occupied with the Father’s plan of salvation, doctrinally; and if we are instructed right, we learn to expect the coming again of the Lord from heaven, to rapture His Body, the Church.

    But all these things may be true of us without our entering into that fellowship and worship into which the epistle to the Hebrews introduces us. To have boldness to enter in the Holy place . . . draw near with a true heart in fullness of faith, involves an active godliness which superficial study of the Scriptures may not beget in us.

    It will not do for us (concerning spiritual growth, i.e. Heb 6:1, 2—NC) to stop at the Cross where Christ shed His Blood for our sins, and where we have peace through that Blood, security from Divine judgment. For His Blood has a heavenly ever-present power and efficacy connected with our acceptance and worship, and this is the peculiar message of Hebrews. If we do not become worshippers, really occupied with the things of the Father, with the praises as well as prayers which the Blood of the Son has made a delight unto the Father, at which heaven wonders and worships (1 Pet 1:12—NC), this great epistle to the Hebrews has failed to reach our hearts. For the immediate presence of the all-holly God, whose name is LOVE, is where the Lord Jesus is now sitting; whither every true believer is going; and into which, by the principle of faith, every believer is exhorted to enter with boldness now.

    Let us draw near “with a true heart.” “The heart is deceitful above all things.” Millions pray, even using the name of the Lord Jesus and speaking of His sacrifice, whose hearts are not true (IMO, not a full understanding of all that salvation provides—NC). Repentance of sin has not broken them up. “A broken and a contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise.” A true heart does not mean a heart that trusts in itself, but one which genuinely comes to a holy God.

    Let us draw near “in full assurance of faith.” This does not mean that here will be no consciousness of unworthiness, but rather, a confidence in a faithful Father, Who is sure to bless one who is trusting in the shed Blood of His Son.

    Let us draw near, “having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience.” This is a beautiful picture of the same deliverance as in Hebrews 9:14: “The Blood of Christ, Who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish unto God, cleanesth our conscience from dead works to serve the Living God.” We are told in chapter 12:24 that “we are come to the Blood of sprinkling that speaketh better than Able” (Able was the first to show a blood-sacrificed faith—NC).

    True faith brings about this Divine action of “sprinkling,” that is, of so appropriating the effect of the Blood of Christ shed on our behalf as to relieve our burdened consciences because we see that our sins have been laid on our Substitute. There is no other deliverance from an evil conscience, that is, a conscience that is accusing us. God “sprinkles” such believing hearts by reckoning to them the value and power of Christ’s shed Blood; and the heart has rest.

    - Wm R Newell


    Portion of MJS devotional for Jan 16:
    “The true hope makes all the difference to us in our ministry. Our expectations have been personally proven. It makes possible joy in the midst of sorrow, confidence in the midst of defeat. It changes our attitude toward those to whom we minister. We see them not as they are at the moment but as we know the Lord is going to make them. Then patience and forgiveness are easy, for we already see the Lord’s finished work. It changes our prayer for them.

    “We ask not for some little progress or partial blessing for them but for the Lord’s complete victory. It changes our teaching ministry to them. Instead of fearfully giving a little more of God’s truth, we confidently declare all the counsel of God. There is ever before us the joy of the finished work which we know the Lord is going to accomplish.”

    -A.M.

    “BEING CONFIDENT OF THIS VERY THING, THAT HE WHICH HATH BEGUN A GOOD WORK IN YOU WILL PERFORM IT UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST” (PHIL. 1:6).

    http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
     
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    This sounds like someone who does "not understand that all our sins, including future ones are already forgiven "

    Hebrews 3

    12Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. 13But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,

    So what if we don't take care? so what if an unbelieving heart falls away? So what if we don't hold fast to our assurance firm to the end?



    Hebrews 4

    1Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. 2For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.

    Fear what? So what if we come short of it or even short of the faith? I am already saved. Is this advice for unsaved folks now? are they required to fear and be sure they don't come up short?



    Hebrews 6


    4For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

    Only those who are saved have been enlightened, only those who are saved have tasted of the heavenly gift, only those who are saved HAVE BEEN MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance


    Who is this partaker of the holy spirit, who had repented, was enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift, tasted the word of God, one who was RENEWED and cannot be RENEWED AGAIN?


    Hebrews 10

    26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


    Well we know all those without Christ have the fate of law of moses which is hell for non believers ect.

    How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

    Hell is pretty bad, Here we talking WORST PUNISHMENT to someone who was sanctified and under Christ.


    Hebrews 10

    38BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH;
    AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.
    39But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.


    Can anyone shrink back? ^ Shrink back to destruction. If even GOD knows it can't happen why does he say AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK?

    Lord, so what if he shrinks back? Your not going to do nothing to me if I shrink back! I'm saved!
     
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    That would be a confirmation of unbelief in the presence of a false profession. One cannot be both a believer and an unbeliever, as a tree can only bring forth one type of fruit. I don't believe one can be a true believer and then become a true unbeliever.

    The "falling away" evinces a departure from a false profession, for one who truly professes the Christian faith is evinced by remaining in a true profession.

    Blessings!
     
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    " I don't believe one can be a true believer and then become a true unbeliever."

    Satan truly believes in God. Adam truly believes in God. Cain truly believes in God.

    "Believing" is not a requirement for salvation. Satan believes in Jesus Christ and Satan introduced once saved always saved in genesis 3. "you surely will no die"

    This is not a unbelievers fate we are talking about.
    This is a partaker of the holy spirit who is going to get a SEVERER PUNISHMENT then a unbeliever.

    29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?


    This is someone who had been "RENEWED" you would argue a unbeliever cannot be forgiven at all.

    Hebrews 6
    it is impossible to renew them again to repentance,

    This is someone who repented was forgiven, renewed, and he cannot be renewed again.




    1 timothy 5

    8But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.


    You can twist this above statements to means he's talking to unbelievers.......You still putting a requirement for a unbeliever to DO SOMETHING to be saved.

    Who is this worse than an unbeliever?


    If you murder someone your a murderer, your not a 1st class murderer with a license to sin.
     
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    Hi U - Salvation can only be received "through faith" (Eph 2:8), without which salvation is impossible! The Enemy believing there is a God is not in the sense of having faith in Him. He believes about God not in God. The Enemy has to believe there is a God because He sees Him, but does not trust Him. Same as if we see something but do not trust in it.

    Besides, there are no means of pleasing God apart from having faith in Him, which faith is given when asked for.

    Gill on Heb 6:4: "The Spirit of God never is, in the above sense, in a castaway; where he takes up his dwelling, he never quits it; if such could perish, not only his own glory, but the glory of the Father, and of the Son, would be lost likewise: but by the Holy Ghost is sometimes meant the gifts of the Spirit, ordinary or extraordinary, 1 Cor 12:4 and so here; and men may be said to be partakers of the Holy Ghost, to whom he gives wisdom and prudence in things natural and civil; the knowledge of things divine and evangelical, in an external way; the power of working miracles, of prophesying, of speaking with tongues, and of the interpretation of tongues; for the extraordinary gifts of the Holy Ghost seem chiefly designed, which some, in the first times of the Gospel, were partakers of, who had no share in special grace, Matt 7:22."

    I know of no reputable Bible commentators who relates any of Heb 6:4-6 to one who is born again!

    Gill: “counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing”: “Sanctified or separated from others by a visible profession of religion; having given himself up to a church, to walk with it in the ordinances of the Gospel; and having submitted to baptism, and partook of the Lord's supper, and drank of the cup, "the blood of the New Testament", or "covenant": though he did not spiritually discern the body and blood of Christ in the ordinance, but counted the bread and wine, the symbols of them, as common things; or who professed himself, and was looked upon by others, to be truly sanctified by the Spirit, and to be justified by the blood of Christ, though he was not really so.”

    We both should already know we have differing beliefs in everything concerning salvation, considering the time we've spent communicating with one another on many Soteriological issues. But this has never deterred me from communicating with you.

    God bless!
     
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