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Featured Calvin on "total depravity"

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by AndThisGospel, Jan 27, 2017.

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  1. MennoSota

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    I do not misrepresent God's work in choosing to save sinners. The scripture is clear.

    Romans 5:14 & 5:19
     
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    You've completely got this one backwards...A practiced sin is not one that you repeat, as in a besetting sin. What then is a "practiced sin"?
    1. A practiced sin is a known sin that you have decided isn't sin. E.G. the homosexual lifestyle. They practice it daily, as a lifestyle, because they have decided that they were made that way by God. Therefore homosexuality can't be sin.
    2. A practiced sin is one that you refuse to repent of.
    All Christians have sinned (past tense) are are falling short of God's agape love (present, continuous tense). See Rom 3:23/Ex 33:18,19 Hence none are measuring up to God's law. Don't believe me? I'll prove it...

    How? If you do not have indwelling sin you can't be tempted....Temptation comes from within....
     
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    Your in the corner now is why there is no rebuttal.

    I love God. I Believe in his complete sovereign control to absolutely everything.


    What I don't believe Is that God is Evil at ALL. TRULY GOOD, And I can easily defend God as the best thing. God is love.


    I pity you because your under a TERRORIST god. Lack the courage to stand up to Hitler.

    Your interpretation of God is a greater insult. I would have to believe God is Hitler and an idiot.

    Your interpretation of God is so evil I challenge you to show me something WORST!

    This challenge is a piece of cake.



    You hate your own idea of God, this is why you fail.
     
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    You cannot conceive of yourself and all humanity as sinners who justly deserve hell due to breaking God's law.

    Thus, you think God is evil and a terrorist if He does not wrap His arms around all humanity and welcome them into His Kingdom as is. You cannot conceive that humanity is to God what ISIS is to the free world. The terrorist is not God (you have it so twisted), the terrorist is humanity.
    Should the US welcome all of ISIS into its borders and love them as ISIS brings its ideology of hate and oppression, weapons and wickedness along with? Is it unloving of the US to deny them entrance into the US? Is the US the terrorist while ISIS is the loving and good persons that the US should let in?
    That...is the God you are claiming as your own. You want a God who will welcome your terrorism into His kingdom because you choose to want in. You don't want a God who controls His own borders and chooses whom He wills, based upon His own Sovereign determination. You call God a terrorist for being Sovereign King.

    I cannot understate how perverted your argument is and how demeaning it is to God. You should be filled with shame and repentance.
     
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    You misunderstand Peter here! He is stating that when one is saved, those qualities must follow in our lives, so not Jesus and works save us, but that when esus really saves us, those works are made evidence!
     
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    There is tha sin principle still a work in our flesh, as we will still have struggles until Glorification day!
     
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    Not so. All 'practise' means in galatians 5:21 is 'do' or 'commit.' The word is prassontes which is the Present participle of the verb prasso which means to do, commit, carry on, be busy with or, indeed, practise. The point is that it is in the Present Tense, which in the Greek denotes continuity. Those who go on committing any sin without being led to repentance show themselves not to be Christians and therefore will not enter the kingdom of God.
    Romans 3:23. 'All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.' The text is not speaking of Christians, but of all people. But you are right that none of us measures up to the standard of God's law. I have never suggested differently. That's why He gave us a Saviour. :)
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    How? If you do not have indwelling sin you can't be tempted....Temptation comes from within....[/QUOTE]
    To those who are not saved, certainly. But for the Christian it is different. 'For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law [not in my 'inner man' but] in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is [not in me but] in my members' (Romans 7:22-23).
     
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    Jesus died for individual sins an sinners, not for all falln huma, as he died in theplce of th elct in Him....
     
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    Paul is contrasting who we once were andwho we now are in Christ, not describing both as saved!
     
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