"Women having authority"

The group that best represents the view you are interested in is

The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood

The book Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood : A Response to Evangelical Feminism by John Piper and Wayne Grudem is a popular book outlining this view. It is usually sold for about $20 but a pdf version can be download for free here.

 

If anyone is interested theres an excelent article about women teaching in the curch at http://www.str.org/free/commentaries/theology/wom-tch.htm

 

Best I've ever seen is here:
ON WOMEN IN MINISTRY

 

In the church I cannot see a woman as a "pastor of the church" (overseer), BUT I can see her preaching the gospel, being an evangelist, ministering to others, and teaching others about Christ...ect, as long as she is Christian and a disciple of Christ. Even in a church when a woman preaches she better realize she is still under the authority of those above her. (i.e... #1) the Lord #2) her husband #3) her pastor. Just as Christian men must realize that the Lord is over all. In the world also she better realize if she becomes the Prez. of the USA she will still have someone in authority over her. So she better make certian that she is "called" for the ministry and do her homework and realize that if she errs she will answer for it just as every one else will.

 

Also strongly recommend Wayne Grudem's, "Evangelical Feminism and Biblical Truth." It reveals the poor exegesis on the part of most egalitarians and attempts to refute every known argument for getting around the plain meaning of 1 Tim. 2-3 and other passages. Tries to use the full counsel of God rather than undermining it with one passage or another through prooftexting.

 

The clear teaching in regards to women in the "the church" is that for God's character to be seen in the gathered assembly a woman cannot have authority over or teach men. When that occurs God's character is not seen. It is a poor example to the unsaved who need to see the character of God in it's fullness. God designed men and womem differently and He gave us different strengths. Men are stronger in leadership by God's design. They are not better by any means, just have different strengths. Women are much stronger then men in the areas that God has designed them to be strong in. It is all about accepting our roles and showing God's character within the structure of the local assembly (church).

In Christ,
Brian

 

I Tim Chapter 2 covers it and vs. 14 says Eve was deceived by Satan, where Adam was not. It is womans niavete, and susceptibility to deception that prevents her from leadership positions over man.
Also she was formed second I Tim 2:13 and according to the context she is prevented from teaching and having authority over man. vs.13

 

So are you saying when Priscilla helped Aquilla tell Appolos about Jesus she messed up because she was putting herself in authority?
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Now if any woman went into church barred the doors and bypassed the preacher with no reguard to him, then proceeded to get behind the pupit and preach another Jesus and tell the congragation they have to belive it her way or they couldn't leave...then yes I could see inforcing 1 Tim. 2

usurp- to take or assume and hold (power, position,rights...ect) by force or without right.

 

Nope

 

I didn't say that either. We are discussing local assemblies and the roles that men and woman have within them. Sharing Jesus with the lost "out in the world" is a different subject altogether.

In Christ,
Brian

 

I believe the context of the passage in Timothy was relating to the church. But men are also to be the leaders in the home.

Women are not to teach or have authority. That shouldn't be too dificult to understand. We normally understand what these words mean, but for some reason, in this context we try to add or take away from that meaning. Again, the context is the church, so in a formal learning setting, women should not have authority or teach men. Does that mean as a woman I can't have conversations with men in which they might actually learn something? No. It means I am not to sit down and instruct them formally, taking them on as my student.

Women are to share the gospel, and many did. The woman at the well told everyone about the One she met. Mary Magdalene was able to share the important event of the ressurection with the male disciples. In the book of Romans Paul sent greetings to women who worked hard in the Lord. There is much work to be done and women played a vital role in getting it done, as I am certain they still do.

But they can not have authority over men. Men should never be accountable to the woman. Men may decide to relgate certain responsibilities to the woman, but in the end she is accountable to the man, it is not the other way around.

Someone has already pointed out that Paul said why this had to be the case. It was Eve and her deception. That is a reason that does not change with the times. For this reason women should always have a submissive role in relation to men and leadership.

~Lorelei

 

The article ignores 1 Cor. 11.3. I think that is a universal principle given by God that cannot be overturned, along with passages about Eve being deceived. I agree with Lorelei.

The article also makes the straw man argument that those who believe women cannot be pastors think women are inferior. That is not the basis for believing women cannot be pastors.

Also, the arguments used are ably refuted here:
http://tinyurl.com/3q6dw

Also, check out this site:
http://www.cbmw.org/questions/

 

So Matt gets to keep his ratty trousers?

 

Well, if he insisted. But he would not do that if he loves his wife as Christ loved the church! No respectable man would put his wife through such a tortuous moment as to be seen publically with a man in ratty apparal!

~Lorelei

 

Matt,

bmerr here. No Bible with me, so I'm shooting from the hip. Contextually, Paul is speaking of religious authority. The reason a woman is not to teach or usurp authority over the man is based on things that took place in the garden of Eden, both the Creation order, and the deception by Satan.

Since the home is a God-ordained institution, Male headship is in order there, too. Sadly, many men leave this responsibility by leaving the home, actually or practically.

In no case does this mean that men can run rough-shod over women. Nor does it mean that women are not capable as leaders. Any honest husband/father will readliy admit his need for the council and partnership of his wife.

Any honest elder, deacon, or preacher will certainly affirm the need for women in the congregation to be active in their appropriate roles.

Bottom line is that male leadership is what God designed. Deviation from His design is an invitation to destruction.

In Christ,

bmerr

 

It would be most difficult for a woman to be the husband of one wife.