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The Bottom Line is at the very end of The Book

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. Samuels

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    Revelation 21:
    6 I will give of the fountain of the water of (eternal) life freely to him who thirsts (spiritually).
    7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
    8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

    Those who thirst for spiritual truth AND are overcomers will receive eternal life.
    But, all sinners will have their part in the lake of fire.
    The contrast is clear: overcomers vs. sinners.
    How could a just God NOT lump all habitual unrepentant sinners together as part of one group?
    Would a just God condemn one group for their sins while ignoring the same sins in another group?

    Now, let’s be clear about who an overcomer is.
    Revelation 3:
    20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door,
    I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
    21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
    as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

    An overcomer has heard Jesus’ voice and responded to His invitation to fellowship with Him.
    But also, and here’s the key: An overcomer is one who has overcome as Jesus overcame!
    What did Jesus overcome?
    Here are some of the things Jesus did to be an overcomer …
    He obeyed God, He did not sin, He was victorious over Satan, He overcame persecution.
    But we are dealing mostly with sin now … Jesus was tempted in every way, but did not sin.

    Here we have a close parallel to the above (overcomers vs. sinners):
    Revelation 22:
    14 Blessed are those who do His commandments,
    that they may have the right to the tree of (eternal) life,
    and may enter through the gates into the city (of New Jerusalem).
    15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters,
    and whoever loves and practices a lie.

    Overcomers are those who obey Jesus’ commandments, and who receive eternal life.
    Sinners are excluded from the New Jerusalem (and eternal life).

    The above is in advance of a forthcoming review of a book written by David Wilkerson,
    in which it is revealed how God’s incredible New Covenant makes overcoming possible.

    Please stay tuned for several more days while the report is being prepared.
     
  2. MennoSota

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    You must be scared senseless. Have you purchased your rotisserie, Samuels?
     
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    John 6:28-29. 'Then they said to Him, "What shall we do that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."'

    It is true that the unrighteous will not enter the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9) and those who preach 'carnal christianity' need to remember it. But genuine believers (all of them) are born again by the Spirit of God into a living hope that can never spoil or fade (1 Peter 1:3-4) and are created in Christ Jesus for good works (Ephesians 2:10). They are already more than conquerors, not in their own strength, but 'through Him who loved us' (Romans 8:37). "I give [My sheep] eternal life and they shall never perish, neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand (John 10:28).
     
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    My ONLY hope is to trust in the work of Jesus, for when God judges my life, I need to have that assurance that Jesus paid my sin debt in full!
     
  5. Samuels

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    Oh boy, here we go again with this passage!

    John 10:
    27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
    28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
    neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
    29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all;
    and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.


    Now, guess what? ...
    You have to figure out exactly what Jesus is talking about re: the words in red!
    I would say ... especially that "follow" thing!

    Also, you need to understand what the NT means by "believing" in Jesus.
    What is the correct response to believing taught in the NT?
    "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."'

    Might it be what almost all western churches are doing these days,
    which is habitual unrepentant sinning?
     
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  6. Yeshua1

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    You do now that the Greek there would be supporting that they follow in a continual sense, now and will keep on following Him!
     
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