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Jon you would like Walton's book - you're describing 'function'.

Rob

 

ONLY God existed forever, and everything else was created by Jesus, by Him and for Him!

 

Think that will be last season for peter as the Dr, and how didi you like Christmas, where he met "superman"

 

If time did not always exist, how long ago did it begin?

 

A split-second after creation?

 

12:00:01 am, October 23, 4004 BC

 

David tennant was my favorite one, and did wonder what he meant when they had him state knew the "real story" on jesus, just was glad did not show him to have been a renegade Time Lord!

 

This is a great OP


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IF time always existed, then God is fixed and constrained with it!

 

In 1642, just 31 years after completion of the King James translation of the Bible, Cambridge University Vice-Chancellor John Lightfoot published his voluminous calculation of the exact date for the creation of the universe: September 17, 3928 b.c. He arrived at this conclusion by analyzing the genealogies in Genesis, Exodus, 1 and 2 Kings, and 1 and 2 Chronicles.

Eight years later, James Ussher, Anglican archbishop of Ireland, corrected Lightfoot’s date. His copious commentary and calculations changed it to October 3, 4004 B.C. Ussher’s work also derived specific dates for every historical event mentioned in the Bible.

In a final round of academic sparring, Lightfoot adjusted Ussher’s date. He concluded that all creation took place the week of October 18–24, 4004 B.C., with the creation of Adam occurring on October 23 at 9:00 A.M., 45th meridian time.

Hugh Ross, A Matter of Days: Resolving a Creation Controversy (Colorado Springs, CO: NavPress, 2004), 21–22.​

 

What do you mean by time?

It is merely sequence, or are you defining things according to forces and systems of change at work in the material universe?

 

Here is an interesting view of Aquinas. Not necessarily saying that I agree with him though:

"It would seem that the universe of creatures, called the world, had no beginning, but existed from eternity. For everything which begins to exist, is a possible being before it exists: otherwise it would be impossible for it to exist. If therefore the world began to exist, it was a possible being before it began to exist. But possible being is matter, which is in potentiality to existence, which results from a form, and to non-existence, which results from privation of form" (Summa Theologica, First Part, Question 46, Article 1, Objection 1). ​

Aquinas is saying that possible being is matter. Perhaps Aquinas is referring to things that are in heaven that, as of yet, have not been perceived to all of us humans. Quantum Physics knows that sometimes, subatomic particles act like waves of light and can thus "pass through" other objects. "[De Broglie]...showed how any object [of the subatomic world], of whatever mass, could behave as a wave to some extent" (Adam Hart-Davis et al., The Science Book, p. 229). We know that the bible speaks numerous times of transmutations or metamorphoses of angels, horse-chariots (2 Kings 2:12) and stones, saphire, emerald and etc. that existed before their coming into our physical realm of our 5 senses. Descartes used Galileo's scientific discovery, that the world is in reality colorless, to say that our senses don't perceive the world as it is and are thus doubtful. Muller, a devout catholic, showed how the world is not as we perceive it. "What Muller had shown was that we in fact had no understanding of any outside world beyond ourselves. The external world, as we knew it, resulted from the perceptions of our particular nerve endings: those in the optic nerve, the skin, and so forth. The human mind did not perceive what was going on in an external world, all it knew was the alterations taking place in its nerve endings" (Paul Strathern, A Brief History of Medicine, pp. 207-8). Einstein believed that time is a deception for us humans, and Solomon also states, that God "has also placed ignorance in the human heart so that people cannot discover what God has ordained, from the beginning to the end of their lives" (Eccles 3:11, NET).

"...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one" - Albert Einstein, in a letter to Besso's family. ​

Berkhof's belief is that there were two distinctions in the creation of the world, the first is God's active creation and denotes an act of God whereas the second is passive creation and denotes "[the] result, the world's being created". He says that we have no right to draw creation as an act of God (the first creation) into the temporal sphere:

"God’s eternity is no indefinitely extended time, but something essentially different, of which we can form no conception. His is a timeless existence, an eternal presence. The hoary past and the most distant future are both present to Him. He acts in all His works, and therefore also in creation, as the Eternal One, and we have no right to draw creation as an act of God into the temporal sphere. In a certain sense this can be called an eternal act, but only in the sense in which all the acts of God are eternal. They are all as acts of God, works that are done in eternity. However, it is not eternal in the same sense as the generation of the Son, for this is an immanent act of God in the absolute sense of the word, while creation results in a temporal existence and thus terminates in time. Theologians generally distinguish between active and passive creation, the former denoting creation as an act of God, and the latter, its result, the world’s being created. The former is not, but the latter is, marked by temporal succession, and this temporal succession reflects the order determined in the decree of God. As to the objection that a creation in time implies a change in God, Wollebius remarks that 'creation is not the Creator’s but the creature’s passage from potentiality to actuality.'" (Systematic Theology, Part One, III, C, 3, d).
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My belief? I have yet to form my belief I suppose.

 

Hello there. This is a good question. Though it's funny since in essence what's being asked is "was there a time where there was not time?" Since God created everything, I would think that everything includes time and so I would answer that there was a time (really no pun intended ) where time was uncreated.

 

Read a definition once. "Time: the period between two eternity's"
Revelation 10:1 ¶ And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.