Christology and Preterism

I meant the pre trib premillennial side. I do not know exactly what historical chilliast is. Besides that most of them thought 6000 years would pass and the 7th would be the Sabbath? My apologies if I said your side meaning historical chilliast. I didn't mean exactly that.

 

Literally it can't be who that pierce them either. Today's Jewish people didn't literally peirce him. Then literally it can't be at hand. Or coming quickly. Or coming soon. Or this generation. Or the people standing here will not taste death.

What's literal and what's not?

 

Texas chilli is distinguished from all others.

It contains no beans.

A chilliast is one that makes outstanding chilli.

Anyone ever been to a Texas chilli cookoff?

 

Actually, just as the prophet's state.

"They will look on Him who they pierced..." refers to the cross. It is a prophecy concerning the Cross and the people looking at the body of Christ prior to it being taken down.

See John 19, spoken first by Zachariah. Again, the continuum of prophecy builds signs, one upon another, and takes no single sign as an indication.

However, because there is abundant portrayals in art of the one pierced, "they" can refer to any who look at the marks of the Christ.

The song writer said, "I shall know Him by the prints in His hands."

 

Where is the YUCK ikon ?!?

 

would this work?

 

Chiliast, When Im on my phone, weird things can happen. Between Autocorrect and my fat fingers, You will never know what you get

 

Yes it does mean the Jewish people.

I am of Jewish heritage and Jews have carried this burden for 2 millennia - forced upon them yes, but real
nonetheless.

We found out our family heritage several years ago when we had our family tree researched for some legal discrepancies because of the spelling of our family name (on my maternal grandmothers side)..

When my Jewish forefathers came to America they changed the spelling of their name to hide their identity as Jews because of antisemitism in Boston.

BTW When did Titus become Jesus - Do you have a passage of scripture?

HankD

 

OFTEN the stuff online about the chiliast links the view to typical dispensational pre-millennium teaching such as Darby held.

That just isn't true, and I wish more people understood the difference.

Even on this board, there are those that confuse and blend into one the two.

 

Yes! Believe or Not (remember that newspaper blurb?) in a Texas Chili house in Maine on the way from Belfast to Rockport Maine.
A Texan opened it - don't remember the name but we went there a couple of times before we moved out here to WA State.

Outstanding Texas BBQ and chili everything!

HankD

 

More often the burden was thrust upon them by folks such as Martin Luther.

One of my favorite people in the past was Dr. Hyman Appelman. Here is a clip about him from the radio program "unshackled."

 

Always wanted to go to that state. You have real Mexican food there Ive heard.

 

I do not believe this, I believe what it says "those who pierced him", That generation.

 

Tcass can explain it to me in PM if he wants. I like knowledge, even if I don't believe something.

 

Who is the audience of John 19?

What is the audience of Zachariah 12, from which the prophecy statement came.

It cannot mean "that generation, exclusively."

For the Cross was on a public highway in which all who passed by could gawk (any nationality) at the spectacle.

Also, look at the prophecy of Zachariah. One cannot escape (typical of many prophetic statements concerning the messiah) the dual imagery.

10“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11“In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12“The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves; 13the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves; 14all the families that remain, every family by itself and their wives by themselves.​

The piercing took place on the Cross.

However, the state of mourning, and the Spirit of grace and supplication was not poured out on the inhabitants of Jerusalem at that time, nor at any time to date.

How does one know that it wasn't? Look at the specificity of the prophecy.

“The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves; 13the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves; 14all the families that remain, every family by itself and their wives by themselves.
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At no time in history has such mourning of all Jews taken place over the piercing of the Messiah. It hasn't happened. Notice how that the family mourns, but the wives have even a far greater mourning?

Why?

In my opinion, it is because the heritage of the Jews is maternal, that is the mother's heritage is what determines if one is a Jew, not the fathers. This is unlike the typical Gentile thinking. Modern Jews can be by either father or mother, however, historically it was through the mother. So, the mother's mourn because the family heritage held in their trust demands such mourning.

Therefore, (irregardless of my opinion, above) the statement cannot be rendered as YOU would ascribe to be time limited to that generation.

 

Folks such as Martin Luther were simply the avenue. Ultimately the burden came from Jehovah:

63 And it shall come to pass, that, as Jehovah rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you, so Jehovah will rejoice over you to cause you to perish [see Revelation 18:20], and to destroy you; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest in to possess it. Dt 28

 

Disagree, of course.

Can't find "That generation" in that passage.


HankD