Featured War On The Sinner's Prayer by Paul Washer

If you believe that a gracious God appoints puppets to salvation, then you will need to prove it from the scriptures. Any choice from God is Holy and just.

I'll be waiting on that scripture! God Bless.

 

Let him that thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall.

Lol, I know I'm in the faith by looking unto Jesus.

 

I do not believe there is a single verse in the Bible, that teaches God "elects" anyone to salvation, as the "reformed" or "Calvinists", want us to believe! Salvation is available for the entire human race (John 3:16, etc), and not for any "elite"! If Jesus Christ died for "everyone without exception" (Calvin's words on John 3:16), then these are ALL included in His Atonement, and ALL can obtain eternal life, IF they would "repent and believe", and accept God's free gift of salvation! This, my friend, is the Gospel Message, from Genesis to Revelation. Any other is from the devil himself!

 

both which have been perverted by the "Calvinists"!

 

With all due respect to our brother Martin, it really isn't that much of a mystery. The Apostle Paul wrote, "He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,"(Eph. 1:5); and "who works all things after the counsel of His will," (Eph. 1:11). So, God, in His kindness and self-counsel, brings His Elect to salvation. Never once has any sensible Calvinist denied that the elect sinner does not employ choice or belief, but there is no reason to appeal to a mystery as the 'why' behind God's saving of His Elect. The mystery is God revealing His Son in the New Testament, something that was rather vague in the Old Testament.

 

First, name calling will simply not achieve your goals. See Ephesians 4:29

This is the proper understanding of John 3:16.



No verses in the Bible says that God elects people to salvation? I'm sure you are mistaken.

John 6:37-39English Standard Version (ESV)

37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.


John 6:44English Standard Version (ESV)

44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.


Romans 9:14-24English Standard Version (ESV)

14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[a] but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?


Ephesians 1:3-11English Standard Version (ESV)

Spiritual Blessings in Christ

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[b] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,


Romans 8:28-30English Standard Version (ESV)

28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[a] for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.



Ephesians 2:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.


Acts 13:48English Standard Version (ESV)

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.


Colossians 2:13English Standard Version (ESV)

13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,


Titus 3:5English Standard Version (ESV)

5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,


1 Peter 1:3English Standard Version (ESV)

Born Again to a Living Hope

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


2 Timothy 2:25English Standard Version (ESV)

25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,


Ezekiel 36:25-26English Standard Version (ESV)

25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.



Deuteronomy 30:6English Standard Version (ESV)

6 And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt on your eisegesis of the Bible.

BTW, repentance is something God grants and we don't get the same amount.

 

The often misunderstood and misquoted verse from Ephesians 1:5! It has NOTHING to do with anyone being saved, but, as the verse very plainly says, that each "believer" has been "marked out before hand" to be "adopted", through their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. "adoption" can hardly take place before a person is saved! I know the Calvinists are content in believing this, but they are very mistaken! In the Old Testament the Nation Israel we God's "elect", His ONLY "chosen nation", above all others. YET, God's salvation was indeed extended to the NON ELECT as well, like the people of Nineveh, who were sworn enemies of God and the Jews! Yet God Who is Richer in His Mercy, then the "Calvinist" would allow, saved many THOUSANDS!!!. I believe that Jonah was the very first "Calvinist", who only cared about his "elite" nation, and not one bit about the other lost. But, thank God, that His Mercy endures forever!

 

Typical misuse of the Bible by Calvinists. Tell me something. was Judas who betrayed Jesus, part of the "elect"? Yet, if you were to read the account of the Lord's Supper in Luke's Gospel, you will very clearly see, that Judas was present at the time Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper, when He said to ALL (including Judas), this is My blood, shed for YOU (plural in the Greek)!!! Why did Jesus not wait for Judas to have left the room, and then utter these words to the 11??? Matthew Henry says that it is clear from Luke, that Judas did take the Lord's Supper! If "Calvinists" would remove their bias "theology", and accept Bible TRUTH, they will believe with John Calvin, that John 3:16 means that Jesus LOVES the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, and as the context speaks of salvation, means that Jesus died for ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTION!

 

And the evidence of your eisegesis is where. Or is it something you just believe.

The accusation "misunderstood and misquoted" are just words. Nevertheless, you just proved my point. God elects each believer before the foundation of the world. That's what the Bible teaches.

Peter was the apostle to the Jews. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[b] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

 

Read as the Bible says, and NOT as a Calvinist! "He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world", for what purpose? Salvation? NO! It clearly says, "that we (as Christians) should be holy and blameless before Him! That is it. No need to write into what the Bible says! . Even verse 5, see verse 6, "to the praise of his glorious grace", again, about already saved believers!

 

I notice that you typically ignored the account of Jonah to the UNELECTED!

 

Matthew Henry was a Calvinist.

No one misused the scriptures. Tell us all where the words "Entire human race" are in John 3:16. If that were true in terms of salvation, then all would be saved.

Free will unto salvation is not taught anywhere in the Bible.

 

Nonsense. Who is the "us" in this verse?

 

Jonah? Seriously?

 

I said TO the "unelect" that is the people of Nineveh!

 

As I said, CHRISTIANS, but this has nothing to do with prior to their salvation!

 

I know Matthew Henry was a Calvinist. My point is, that even as a Calvinist, he was honest enough to admit that Judas did part take of the Lord's Supper, when Jesus said to ALL present, "this is My blood, shed for YOU". Which is very clear, that Jesus here says that He DIED FOR JUDAS! Or, was Jesus wrong, or maybe Luke for his account?

 

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

Why doesn't it? It's clear, chosen before the foundation of the world.