2ed of 2 Thess. 2:1-4, the Rapture

Actually - the 70th week starts in 27 ad "69 weeks UNTIL Messiah the prince". (You know -- week 68 followed by week 69, and week 69 followed by week 70... just the basics)

"in the Midst of the week" the Messiah is cut off. His 3.5 year ministry ends with His crucifixion.

This greatest of all Messianic timeline prophecies - the 490 year timeline we see here - INCLUDES the greatest Messianic events of all time in the Gospel. The START of Christ's ministry AND His atoning sacrifice so central to the Gospel for ALL mankind!

2300-490 is 1810.

27 ad is the start of the 70th week so 34 AD so the 7oth week ends in 34 AD.

1810 plus 34 AD is 1844.

Daniel 8:14 says that this timeline points to a time when the sanctuary is cleansed as predicted in the Levitical Sanctuary system of types.

Since this is the Heb 8 "True Sanctuary" in heaven and not merely the earthly one -- we look for an answer there.

There is no reference to "rapture" in either Dan 9 or 8.

Where did you get "7 years earlier there is rapture"??

you have to "slice dice and chop" the 70 weeks to come up with that - and even then - a lot of imagination has to get mixed into the soup.

I am suggesting that you toss out the "or maybe" ideas and look for the reliable points in scripture.

 

Ex 23:12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest:

Each "DAY" equals a "thousand years".

"HER BRANCH" is the Valley of bones, (Israel) being restored, and Her Branch is the "last generation" of the "SIXTH DAY".

The "LAST HOUR" of the sixth day is the Trib period, or Daniel's 70th week.

 

I "think" Joseph may have misspelled the angel's name, he added one tooo many "M".

MorMon, should have been "MORON".

 

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east,

I "think" some of these people will find themselves "GUILTY" of more "MURDERS" on Judgement day than the world's worse "SERIAL KILLER".

They "MURDER" people with "false Doctrine", "Lies", "deceptions".

Jer 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

I don't know their views on the trib.

 

Ed asked for the exact timeline for Daniel 9 (490 years ) as it fits perfectly into the start of Daniel 8 (2300 years)

Ed suggests 27 AD for the end point of the 490 years but this is in fact the start of the 70th week.

So corrections were made and ... BobRyan complies with Ed's request-

Ed then complains that being able to map that out logically and consistently is not fair because Adventists "know" how to map it out.

I am not sure how that is "a response" to the details I mapped out.

I have no idea what you are talking about or why you want to misdirect in that way.

Years work - INCLUDING the coming of the Messiah in 27 AD at the start of the 70th week.

Why do you take so much effort in ignoring the obvious Messianic fullfillment of the 490 years? Is it because Daniel claims that this ALSO helps to explain the 2300 year timeline?

Do you find that clear and obvious point from Daniel 8 and 9 to be "unthinkable"??

I did not say that Christ "came" in 1844 - and neither has any Seventh-day Adventist.

Are you stuck "making things up" rather than responding to the points I make SHOWING the clear and objective timeline sequence -- unchopped - NOT diced, NOT sliced??

Why not just deal with the texts and the clear facts of history showing how they work out?

In Christ,

Bob

 

Me4Him!!

You're closer than you know! The angels name was Moroni.

I like to do it this way: Moron, I.

But you're right,

Jer 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

They, and a lot of other people will have a lot to answer for when we all stand before the throne!!

Peace,

Tam

 

The "SIX THINGS" prophecied in the following verse have already "come to pass" for the church, as I posted previously, However, these must "LITERALLY", "come to pass", here on Earth, at the end of the "Seventy weeks", this of course ends the trib and begins the MK. (Mill Kingdom)

Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The "Holy City", Jerusalem, is called Sodom during the tribulation.

Re 11:8 And their dead bodies (two witnesses) shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

So, evidently, transgressions, sin, reconciliation, Righteousness, sealed vision/prophecy, and annointing, ISN'T completed as this prophecy said it would be at the end of the seventy weeks and before the MK begins.

What say ye???

 

Do ya seepose if'n I started preaching "ONLY REDNECKS" go to heaven, I could get enough people to follow me and "contribute", for the church benefit of course, to buy me a "NEW LINCOLN", maybe Air condition my Dog's house, and send "ME" on a religious "CRUISE", for educational purposes, "OF COURSE".

If you're interested in joining, call BR 549.

 

Hey Me4Him

I think BobRyan and other Christ-deniers would sign up. After all, they have already been shown to be quite gullible - they already bought Satan's system of death!

What's a little cash compared to that?

 

Context for this super passage must deal with 2 Thess 3:2-3.

Let us not confuse "the Day" with any system of selfrighteous merit.

Can it be any clearer!
LLoyd

 

All the pointless ranting posts above = aside...

Ed --

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Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
Out in the highland desert of
Iran in 1844 appeared one like unto Jesus and Muhhammad -

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I have no idea what you are talking about or why you want to misdirect in that way.

Years work - INCLUDING the coming of the Messiah in 27 AD at the start of the 70th week.
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Ed did you ever respond to that??

In Christ,

bob

 

I guess this is where we add some fact to your fiction.

#1. The SDAs did not form BEFORE the 1850's
#2. The Millerites NEVER formed a denomination or church in the 1830's or 40's.

#3. The Millerite (about 50,000 in the 1840's) DID NOT go on to become SDA's

#4. Your atttempt to misdirect here seems to imply that you think all those groups accepting the Bible truth of a post-trib rapture are part of the 10 million member group - SDAs. (though you seem to be having trouble with the number of zeros for that number)

so was that antic of yours simply to misdirect away from the fact that the post-trib rapture SEQUENCE of Matt 24 fits my view better than yours?

What is the point of that?

In Christ,

Bob

 

Ed

It appears we have a thread all to ourselves.

Bob may be "tied up" working, if so, he'll be back.

You mentioned something about the 144000 being "resurrected Church/OT saints", (I think) could you elaborate on that??

 

"Modern" - as in organizing from the 1850's to the 1860's when they formally organized.

As opposed to - the 1840's?

Well they are wrong there.

Ellen White was not a member of the first Adventist Sabbath keeping church.

Neither was James White a member of that church.

The church was a Sunday keeping Adventist church and was convinced by a Seventh-day Baptist visitor (Rachael Oaks) to start keeping the Sabbath.

Joseph Bates and some other Adventists began arguing in favor of the Sabbath and eventually convinced the Whites (yes Ellen Harmon never accepted the Sabbath - only later as Ellen White did she start keeping Sabbath).

Still I don't see how any of this helps you with your problem that Matt 24 FITS the POST trib rapture?

Is it just a side trip?

In Christ,

Bob

 

Still I don't see how the Baha'i faith is helping you with the problem of Matt 24 showing a SEQUENCE with a post-trib rapture!

Nor do I see them connected to SDAs.

Another "sidetrip"??

In Christ,

Bob