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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Bro. Curtis, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. Reynolds

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    Many things prophetical in scripture have multiple fulfilment.
     
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    Yes, the world has gone to Hell.
     
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    No.

    Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night

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    CONTEXT !!!
     
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    CONTEXT!!

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    Read 2 Peter 3 - what coming were the scoffers referring to in the immediate context?
     
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    IE They disagree with you.
     
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    Peter by inspiration of the Holy Spirit was referring to Noah's flood of approximately 1000 years before his epistle.

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    Look at 2 Peter 3 - Peter is specifically referring to scoffers of the last days - which began at Pentecost. Jesus had repeatedly warned this generation that he would come in judgment on those who had rejected him. Note: And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. NOT of some future generation 1,000 or more years away. Them, this generation.
    Mat. 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

    Now the scoffers are claiming to be vindicated in their unbelief - "our fathers are dead, despite what Jesus said, & our temple worship continues. Jesus is seen to be a false prophet."

    Sinners had 100 years' warning in the days of Noah. (2,500 years before) Their unbelief did not save them - the flood come & they perished. You think you're safe because your fathers have died without seeing the prophesied destruction. By your scoffing you are owning your fathers' sins:
    Mat. 23:31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt.33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

    It is possible to read Jesus' final coming for resurrection & judgment into the chapter, that is what is ahead for us, but we're considering the situation in Peter's day:
    The tabernacle & temple were given as a sign of the God of heaven living with his people - as Solomon acknowledged, the dwelling-place of God - heaven on earth. 1 Kings 8:27-30 Jesus called the temple "my house." But, as he left it, he called it "your house." What was provided for man to meet with God was condemned to destruction by fire.

    The scoffers would perish as surely as the sinners of Noah's day. Don't despise God's patience - the day of the Lord will come. And what are the elements? Paul tells us:
    Gal. 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
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    9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

    The elements are NOT the components making up the planet, nor is the earth the planet. The elements are all the trappings of the Old Covenant - temple, priesthood, sacrifices, etc, and the earth is the land of Israel.

    Peter is reminding his readers of the Lord's prophecy: within a generation the temple & everything associated with it, & the land of Israel, will be utterly destroyed. Don't join the scoffers Repent!:

    8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.


    And you, dear Reader, do not begin to say that as the coming of the Lord did take place exactly according to Jesus' warning, then underlined by Peter, that you can live in sin without fear of judgment. Judgment is past.

    No! No! No! The judgment of the flood came in Noah's day. The judgment on the generation that rejected their Messiah came in AD 70. The final judgment will come in God's time. You needn't wait 1,000 years, for at your death you will face certain judgment. Take warning:
    11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
    Live in sin, facing the wrath of God, or repent & live with the glorious hope of the new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
     
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    The following are some observations and opinions I have come across and developed over the years. I'm not expecting to change anybody else's view on this matter. I only seek to put my POV on the record.
    • Years ago, I worked as a private security guard. One of my job sites was a Reformed synagogue during High Holy Days. I watched the parking lot and acted as Shabbat goy for the Conservative Sephardic congregation meeting in one of the classrooms. Hearing the Reformed service over the public address system, I heard the rabbi talk about who was a Jew. He said he took the Nazi's definition. That is if you qualified for extermination by the Nazis as a Jew. You are a Jew.
    • Looking at the map proposed for post-MandatePalestine, the Arabs would have gotten the lion's share of the land.
    • While there were cases of Arabs being forced out of their homes during the 1948 War, a lot of the refugees believed the broadcasts from the surrounding Arab countries (Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan, Egypt, et al.). They sought to move out of the way of the "conquering" Arab armies as they pushed the Jews into the sea.
     
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    Another observation: while the founders of the State of Israel were Ashkenazi, in the last twenty years or so, the proportion of Mizrahi in Israel is growing.
     
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    A poor nazi indeed.

    Not only has he officially declared Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel but ordered our embassy to relocate there.

    His son-in-law Jared is Jewish.
    His daughter Ivanka is a convert to Judaism.
    The Prime Minister of Israel - Benjamin Netanyahu - has said Donald Trump "is a true friend of the State of Israel'.

    A Nazi!? :Roflmao

    More fake news and fabrications from the hysterical left.
    More gunk slinging against the wall in the hopes SOMETHING WILL STICK!

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