Featured Does God Require Your Permission to Save You?

Not true.

 

As already stated in the post above --

It is a "whosoever will" system that God has created by supernaturally "drawing ALL mankind" John 12:32 to Himself and thus enabling that choice to accept or reject the gospel instead of being stuck on 'depraved sinful nature always says reject'

 

Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Why would God need any permission from and ungodly, sinful, enemy to save them?... These aren't my thoughts read the scriptures brethren... Brother Glen

 

It's pitiable that you don't have the reading comprehension to discern a rhetorical use of the word "all" and a literal use of the word "all" on a case by case basis.

 

No. But he wants people to CHOOSE Him before He saves them. God can do as he pleases and that's how He has chosen to save us (I know you wont agree).

 

Thank you, Brian, yes, it's an important skill to be able to admit there are things we don't know and ask questions about it.

 

The Holy Spirit MUST grant the sinner a rebirth, correct?

 

The Holy Spirit "causes the new birth" but not before enabling the sinner to choose. The "Drawing of God" enables all the choice that depravity disables for choosing the Gospel -- even by Calvinism's standards.

In Calvinism - God "can't do that" without first causing the New Birth.

In the Arminian model - "He can do that"

 

True -- in Calvinism "all does not mean ALL" and "World does not mean WORLD" etc.

But in the Arminian model - we can have this --

1 John 2:2 "he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD"... yes "really"
John 3:!6 "God so loved the WORLD that He gave" -- yes "really"

 

How does a dead man open a door?

 

This is where Arminians show themselves to be not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Let's put it in a simple way for you:

"The store caught on fire last night, but all the people were evacuated safely."

Does that mean all people? Or just the people who were in the store?

How does "all" not mean "all" in this case?

 

The flaw in your logic is not "sufficient cause" to edit/downsize/reject the scripture.

Your logic is flawed in that the atoning sacrifice is the model God uses - for example Lev 16 "Day of Atonement"

1 John 2:2 "he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD"... yes "really"
John 3:16 "God so loved the WORLD that He gave" -- yes "really"

In Lev 16 the entire atonement process must complete. You have suggested that it ends with the work of Christ as the "sin offering" - as He makes the "Atoning Sacrifice" on the cross... but Lev 16 says it must also include Christ's work as "High Priest" which Paul says in Heb 8:1-5 and in Hebrews 9 .. is going on in heaven - and deals with each individual case.

Calvinism's big problem is that it does not take into view the entire scope of "Atonement" as the Bible defines it.

Pure speculation with no justification for it - since nothing in 1 or 2 or 3 John tells us that John is only writing to Jews.

Wishful thinking in the context of 1 John 2.

The text does not say "and not our sins only but the sins of people from all over the world" -- it simply is not there ... though it may have been much-hoped-for.

 

There are no sinners who can be saved apart from the Spirit Himself grant to them saving faith and the spiritual means to receiove Jesus!

 

Show me this man who refused to hear the gospel and is now elect.


SYNERGY REQUIRED.


Get 50 women who will agree to hear the gospel. And then get 50 men who refuse to hear the gospel.


According to Calvinism the regeneration is required to spark on hearing the gospel. That is that there is NO REGENERATION prior BEFORE hearing the gospel.


Calvinist logic says there is a good chance some of those WOMEN will be elect and regenerated on hearing the gospel.

But the 50 men who refuse to hear the gospel, FORGET IT, they are guaranteed reprobates.

 

John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.


HankD

 

I am glad you are able to admit to your faults. Keep up the good work of EQ introspection brian.

HankD