Featured The Redundancy of Satan in Calvinism

Hey, that's a pretty good articulation of 'saved'!

 

You people never supply scripture to support your claims, just human 'logic,'

 

Either your eyes fail you or that comment is insincere, and the proof is above.

 

You wouldn't need a bible to know if GOD ALMIGHTY was talking to you face to face.

The claim being made is God comes down and regenerates a person, they are now elect.

But no one gives that story at all. Its self-proclamation. And they point to scripture.


I think if you were under control of the devil, and God showed up and told you that you are now one of his elect, you might possibly gone through a life change a little more dramatic then a burp during lunch time.

 

The problem with Calvinists and Reformed folk, is their complete misunderstanding of passages like Ephesians 2:1-2, etc. The "dead" in such passages, as nothing to do with the sinner being so dead, that they are spiritually incapable of responding to the call to salvation by God the Holy Spirit. The verse clearly says that the unsaved are "dead in their transgressions and sins". By this it means as Isaiah 59:2 puts it, "but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that He does not hear". This is the "deadness" that Paul speaks of. The sinners "relationship" with the Holy God of the Bible is a broken one, because the fact that they are SINNERS! This is the spiritual "separation" (dead) that is in view in passages like Ephesians. In John 5:25, Jesus speaks of the spiritual dead who "hear" His voice, but only those who "respond" will live. It cannot refer only to the "elect", as the verse says that ALL those who hear Jesus' voice will not live, but only those who "respond". If the "elect" were meant, then surely ALL would "respond". neither can it be taken to mean that God "causes" their "response", because it is clear from what Jesus says, that these "dead" are expected to "respond", but most do not! If they were spiritually dead, as in being "incapable", then this verse does not make any sense. Sure God the Holy Spirit must work on the sinners heart to obey the Gospel call, as Jesus says in John 16:8-9, that when the Spirit comes, He will "convict the world of sin...because they do not believe in me". Again, clearly shows that these sinners have the capacity to "not believe", not that they "cannot" because God has "bound" their WILL, but, as Paul says, "They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved...and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness" (2 Thess. 2:10, 12). All sinners are "responsible" for their "actions", not "bound" by God so that they cannot come, but they REFUSE!