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OSAS does not survive the "Sola Scriptura test" in Matthew 18..etc

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  1. One Baptism

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    Christ Jesus is the "elect" of God:

    Isaiah 42:1 KJB - Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

    Matthew 12:17 KJB - That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

    Matthew 12:18 KJB - Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

    Matthew 12:19 KJB - He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.

    Matthew 12:20 KJB - A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.​

    2 Corinthians 1:20 KJB - For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.​

    Thus, those who accept and keep that which is offered of God, in Christ Jesus, are 'elected' with Him.

    Ephesians 1:10 KJB - That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    Ephesians 1:11 KJB - In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
    Christ Jesus is the "predestinated", the "chosen" of God, the Father's "elect". Thus, those ultimately found "in Him", having accepted and keep to the "call" made to all mankind, are those whom God knew, from before [Romans 8:28-30 KJB]

    Matthew 22:14 KJB - For many are called, but few are chosen.​

    There is a "diligence" that is needful upon our part, as it was in Genesis, to "dress" and to "keep" that which is given:

    2 Peter 1:10 KJB - Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
    "If" ... otherwise, it is not "sure" and the possibility of our "fall" exists ...
     
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    Good , what has that to do with the thread? Nobody is discussion Jesus being the Christ

    Matt 22 The wedding party invitation was sent to many but only those with the wedding garment can partake of the blessings .
    It is not choosing who is to come to the wedding ,
     
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    To be "born again" [John 3; a brand spanking new child of God, crying loudly, Abba, Father], is merely the beginning, not the end:

    Romans 8:19 KJB - For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

    Ephesians 4:13 KJB - Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    Ephesians 4:15 KJB - But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

    2 Peter 3:18 KJB - But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
    A "seed" is not a "tree", until it grows up and bears much "fruit". The "seed" [Christ Jesus] planted [received] in the soil of the heart must be watered, nurtured and receive of the Sun of righteousness, and the winds and showers of the Holy Ghost, otherwise, it becomes like the following seed:

    Matthew 13:20 KJB - But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

    Matthew 13:21 KJB - Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

    Matthew 13:22 KJB - He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

    Matthew 7:19 KJB - Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    Luke 3:9 KJB - And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

    Luke 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
    Jesus' entire life was to do one thing. Plant the seed. There are some who never receive the "seed" [Matthew 13:19 KJB], but there are others which did "receive", but by various means, some "become" unfruitful, for they had "believe[d] for a while", but in process of time "fall" away, and thus are good for nothing, but to be cut down, and thrown into the fire. Some might "dureth for a while", but they did not so unto the "end".

    Have therefore, "patience" of the "saints":

    Luke 8:15 KJB - But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.​

    Like Paul and Apollos, consider the greater Gardeners: Jesus, Holy Ghost and Father:

    1 Corinthians 3:6 KJB - I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
    Jesus planted.

    Holy Ghost waters.

    Father, giveth the increase, even as He is the Husbandman [John 15:1; James 5:7 KJB].
     
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    Dealing with error of 'OSAS' [Calvinistically]. They misunderstand predestination, and who the elect is, and then self-define themselves as automatically saved, and self-determine the lost.

    Secondly, consider Matthew 22 KJB, in the 'investigative judgment' by God, for though many did accept the invitation, not all actually came with the right garment, Christ's righteousness:

    Mattew 22:11 KJB - And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:​

    That wedding is taking place right now:

    Daniel 7:13 KJB - I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

    Daniel 7:14 KJB - And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    Isaiah 62:4 KJB - Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

    Isaiah 62:5 KJB - For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
    Therefore, God has an investigative judgment, in which He is "to see" who among those that have accepted the invitation, are worthy to remain. Two groups [both professing].
     
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    Jesus is Israel:

    "... Matthew 2:13-15; citing Hosea 11:1 KJB [Jesus is the true Israel, even as He is the True David, Adam, Solomon, etc, etc.Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24, 37:24-25; Hosea 3:5; 1 Corinthians 15:45-46], turn then to Hebrews 2:9-13 KJB, which in verse 13, cites Isaiah 8:18 [read Isaiah 8:8-20 KJB], therefore we know who Jesus [Israel's] children are, in Isaiah 8:16 KJB, as he says of them, "my disciples". Consider the NT texts which Jesus over and over again calls them "my disciples", and even "little children" [Matthew 12:46-50; Mark 14:14; Luke 14:26,27,33, 22:11; John 8:31, 13:35, 15:8 KJB, etc], Thus we know who the "children of Israel" is in referring to Exodus 31:13-18 KJB, and who is to keep the sabbath holy, as it is written, that there are two [not one] Israels:

    [1] Israel after the flesh which are not the children of God [Romans 9:6-8; 1 Corinthians 10:18 KJB]; [Head, ruler, Jacob, son of Isaac] Genesis 32:28, 35:10,21; [body, peoples] Genesis 32:32, 35:22; Israel, the person, is as a “king” which is a head or ruler [Joshua 11:10; 1 Samuel 15:17; 1 Kings 1:35, 1 Chronicles 11:2; Psalms 105:20 KJB], over a body or kingdom/land [Isaiah 62:1-5 KJB]. The two [king & kingdom/land] are two things, yet joined, as husband and wife, or Head and body, Father and children, etc. and

    [2] the Israel after the Spirit, Jesus Christ, and His children and body [Galatians 6:16; Hebrews 10:13; Romans 9:8 KJB', as it is written, first the natural, then follows the spiritual [1 Corinthians 15:46 KJB].​

    But if we consider Isaiah 56:1 KJB, and ask who is "my salvation", and "my righteousness", we can go to the NT texts and know that it is Jesus [Matthew 1:21; Luke 2:20; Acts 4:10,12, see also Isaiah 46:13, 51:5,68,8; Psalms 119:172; Isaiah 48:18]. Then if we jump down to Isaiah 56:8 KJB, we see that it again refers to what Jesus is doing in the NT, as per its fulfillment in John 10:16 KJB. Then all one has to do, is to go back, and read the context between Isaiah 56:1 and Isaiah 56:8, by reading Isaiah 56:2-7, which mentions the "everlasting name", God's "my covenant" [which is the eternal, everlasting and also called New Covenant], and who is to join themselves unto the LORD, the Gentiles.

    Thus for the fulfillment of those Isaiah 56 passages, we turn again to the NT, and read Matthew 10:25; [Malachi 1:6]; Luke 6:40; “... the Gentiles are turned to God:” - Acts 15:19 KJB, “That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called ...” - Acts 15:17 KJB, not to cast away the Tabernacle of David, no, but to build it up, see Acts 15:16-17; Amos 9:11-12 KJB, for God had winked at the ignorance of all men in the past, but now commands all men everywhere to come to Him in repentance, and come into obedience to His Law, see Acts 17:30 KJB, see Acts 4:24, 14:15-16; Revelation 10:6, 14:6-7; 2 Peter 2:21; Revelation 12:17; 14:12, 22:14 KJB.

    Then compare Exodus 20:8-11, especially verse 11, and align it with Nehemiah 9:6, Psalms 146:6; [Jews] Acts 4:24; [Gentiles] Acts 14:15-16; [all peoples] Revelation 10:6; 14:6-7; and back again to the Gentiles repenting and coming into obedience unto God's Holy commandment [Exodus 20:8; 2 Peter 2:21 KJB], in Acts 13:42-44; Acts 16:13, 18:4,11; Acts 15:21, 17:2 [compare Luke 4:6 in language]; 17:3-4; and also in Hebrews 4:2,4,9,10; Romans 11:26; and then follow it to Isaiah 58:1,12-14.

    John 10:35 KJB, unbreakable. ..." - Walter Martin's "Kingdom of the Cults" declares Adventist are not a Cult and destroys Hoekema's book
     
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    If that analogy is about the saved losing their salvation then the finished work of Christ was not necessary because we can pay our own debts. Not only was it not necessary but the cross was a cruel joke on the Son if this is about the saved.


    No it is not about the saved, but rather the kingdom of God. It is dealing with one aspect in an answer to Peter about his question on forgiving someone who sins against him.


    For us to be saved we must have ALL our sins paid for, not just one group or area or one time in our life to be forgiven. We are NOT simply forgiven if we are saved. We are bought with a Price, the blood of Christ. Salvation forgives not simply our sin, but the person for being a sinner.


    The kingdom of God is like unto an earthly king's kingdom. All the people, houses, animals, land, everything that is within an earthly kings kingdom is considered his and all the people are his servants whether they agree with him or do not agree with him. Whether they are fully submitted to him or not fully submitted to him they are ALL his servants who he can do what ever he wants to with them or to them.


    The same is with the kingdom of God. Everything is part of His kingdom. The saved, the lost, satan, demons, hell, EVERYTHING!


    In the parable the man was not saved. It does NOT teach that. It teaches one thing in his life was passed over/forgiven. He experienced the same mercy we all do as lost and still alive. The king forgave one aspect of his life a very large debt he had toward the king. However it was only for THAT debt alone, not ALL debt. Salvation is for ALL debt, not just one.


    The king did not resend the already forgiven debt. He acted on a new debt. Those in Christ cannot accrue new debt because our debt is fully paid. Every sin the saved do goes toward the payment that Christ paid, not toward us.


    The teaching is that even the lost experience some of God's forgiveness as He does not wipe them out the moment they sin. Just like the rain falls on the just and the unjust. ALL are part of God’s kingdom and our place of eternal existence/residence, can be seen in how we deal with others who have sinned against us.


    The parable is NOT suggesting we get saved, right with God, by forgiving others nor is it suggesting once we are saved we can lose that salvation. It is simply a parable by which we can examine our own hearts against our own lives toward our fellow man.


    Forgiving everyone will not get us into heaven, but if we are of those who refuses to forgive everyone it is an evidence we are not (saved) on the road to heaven.
     
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    To be "born" does not mean "immortal", it means to be birthed into. All things which are "born" may [the possibility of] die, because it deals with "faith", the "believing":

    John 11:26 KJB - And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?​

    God does not do the "believing" for you, but gives the gift of faith to us, and like all gifts it may be cherished, spurned, neglected or cast away. It is not a mere instance of faith, but it must be an ongoing [a living] faith. It must be "h[e]ld fast" [otherwise it is no longer faith, and thus by wavering, lose it]:

    Hebrews 3:6 KJB - But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

    Hebrews 10:23 KJB - Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

    A "born again" person, must "breathe" [Ezekiel 37:9 KJB, etc], and so take the "breath of life from God". To cease to breath, is to die, spiritually.

    Read Romans 8 again:, notice that word "other" [which leaves ourselves]:

    Romans 8:38 KJB - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

    Romans 8:39 KJB - Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Isaiah 59:2 KJB - But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.​

    Christ's righteouness is not a cloak for a single unconfessed sin. Forgiveness is provided for all, but do not let presumption enter into the picture. Look at King Saul's history:

    1 Samuel 10:9 KJB - And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day.

    1 Samuel 15:11 KJB - It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

    1 Chronicles 10:13 KJB - So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;​
     
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    Yes, you can pay for your debt, but you cannot live afterward. Wages of sin is death. You can pay this penalty, you just won't be able to live after payment, just as one who has paid their debt to society, for the crimes committed, by execution.

    Jesus finished laying the foundation at Calvary - the perfect character, the perfect life, the perfect sacrifice and substitute, the perfect example. It was/is a perfect beginning. He is the Cornerstone. There was/is much more for Him to do in His ascension.

    Jesus has life within Himself. He could pay, and take up His life again. You cannot, having not life within [inherent] yourself. If you pay, you will cease to be afterwards.

    God is even now taking account of His servants, beginning with all of the 'professed' dead, from Abel, even until now [Hebrews 9:27; Revelation 14:6-7 KJB], and soon it will pass to the living [Revelation 3:10 KJB].
     
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    Read again, it is all the old and the recently accumulated:

    Matthew 18:24 KJB - And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

    Matthew 18:32 KJB - Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

    Matthew 18:34 KJB - And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
    Please notice, that the "torment" does not stop until the debt is paid. Death.
     
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    Notice the two red words:

    1 Corinthians 9:27 KJB - But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

    Hebrews 6:4 KJB - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

    Hebrews 6:5 KJB - And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

    Hebrews 6:6 KJB - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

    Hebrews 6:7 KJB - For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

    Hebrews 6:8 KJB - But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.​
     
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    Matthew 25:14 KJB - For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

    Matthew 25:30 KJB - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.​
     
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    Additional passages in Hebrews 10:

    Hebrews 10:26 KJB - For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    Hebrews 10:27 KJB - But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Hebrews 10:28 KJB - He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

    Hebrews 10:29 KJB - Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    Hebrews 10:30 KJB - For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

    Hebrews 10:35 KJB - Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

    Hebrews 10:36 KJB - For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

    Hebrews 10:38 KJB - Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    Hebrews 10:39 KJB - But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
    Notice, "patience", "after", "shall", "was sanctified", "cast not away", "live by", "draw back", "believe to". Paul is citing numerous OT texts.
     
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    Judith, I am sorry to have to disagree with you here. Jesus Kingdom is not of this world, it is a spiritual kingdom.​
     
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    Hebrews 10, is contrasting the multiple animal sacrifices, which could not purge the conscience of sins, with the one, single, and permanent sacrifice of Christ Jesus, which can cleanse the heart from sin, going back and forth from the example to the reality:

    Mulltiple animal sacrifices, cannot "take away sins":

    Hebrew 10:1 KJB - For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

    Hebrews 10:3 KJB - But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

    Hebrews 10:4 KJB - For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

    Hebrews 10:6 KJB - In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

    Hebrews 10:8 KJB - Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

    Hebrews 10:11 KJB - And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
    But there was an infinitely greater sacrifice provided in the body of Jesus Christ:

    Hebrews 10:5 KJB - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

    Hebrews 10:7 KJB - Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

    Hebrews 10:9 KJB - Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

    Hebrews 10:10 KJB - By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    Hebrews 10:12 KJB - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

    Hebrews 10:13 KJB - From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
    Thus, the summation to such a conclusion:

    Hebrews 10:14 KJB - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
    being witnessed to tby the Holy Ghost:

    Hebrews 10:15 KJB - Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

    Hebrews 10:16 KJB - This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

    Hebrews 10:17 KJB - And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

    Hebrews 10:18 KJB - Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
    Yes, Jesus perfect and singular [one, once, etc], unrepeatable, sacrifice and His shed blood, is what we are sanctified through, which could not be done through the multiple animal sacrifices or their blood. Notice the New Covenant, in which the Law of God, the Ten Commandments, are to be written upon the Heart, citing Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 36:25-28 KJB, etc.

    "remission" is forgiveness of those sins which are "past":

    Romans 3:25 KJB - Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;​

    It does not give an automatic pass on sin committed beyond that point of justification. Forgiven sins may be uncovered, unforgiven, as Matthew 18, etc reveals, since they are not yet blotted out, until the end of the anti-typical Day of Atonement [Revelation 14:6-7; Acts 3:19 KJB]

    Thus, since the "past" sins are forgiven, and remitted, we can have confidence in God, and there is no more continuing sacrifices [such as the animals] to be made, since that single one sacrifice was all that was needed:

    Hebrews 10:18 KJB - Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
    Thus fulfills the prophecy of Daniel:

    Daniel 9:27 KJB - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
    That Jesus did this, does not negate the necessity of obedience, to the Law which He magnified in His death:

    Isaiah 42:21 KJB - The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.​

    Hebrews 10:14 is no license to sin [being transgression of God's Law, the Ten Commandments, 1 John 3:4 KJB], which is the very antithesis of which Jesus came to do:

    Hebrews 2:14 KJB - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    1 John 3:8 KJB - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    This is why Paul continues the thought in Hebrews 10, that even though we "are sanctified" "for ever" [that is continually, ongoing] through that one sacrifice [and need not multiple], so long as we believe in that sacrifice provided and in its cleansing power, otherwise, we can become those that were ["was"] sanctified, and become so no longer, and be "rejected":

    Hebrews 10:29 KJB - Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    God's grace is the power of God unto salvation, in Christ Jesus, to bring us back into atonement, harmony, with His will, His Law, the Ten Commandments.

    Christ's single sacrifice, sets the Christian apart for holy purposes and deeds, which is what sanctified means. it is to be an eternal doing by the eternal believing.

    There were some already in Pauls' day, drawing back, and not gathering together on the Lord's day, the Holy 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, and through their disbelief, like Israel of old, could not be Holy:

    Hebrews 10:25 KJB - Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

    2 Peter 2:21 KJB - For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
    The Holy 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is the very sign and memorial of the perfect Creation, when there was no sin in mankind and Redemption from all sin/s. Jesus lay resting in the Tomb, having "finished" His work which He came to do on the earth. Enter therefore, into the rest with Him, on the Day He sanctified, for in so doing, it means you believe in the sacrifice given in Him, and understand God's Mercy and Justice, upholding His Law and providing the way out of condemnation for having transgressed it.
     
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    David no place did I say Jesus Kingdom. I said as does scripture the kingdom of God.
     
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    one baptism no we can NEVER pay our debt. Tat is why hell is eternal. It is also why the payment that Jesus made is also eternal.
     
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    Wages of sin is "death", not eternal torment, nor eternal existence as a sinner. Jesus paying the penalty - Jesus died, not suffered for eternity. Please see this thread, beginning with the following link, and read the thread backwards, from this thread to the beginning - The false SDA doctrine of "annihilationism"...
     
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    1 Timothy 1:19 KJB - Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

    1 Timothy 1:20 KJB - Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

    2 Timothy 2:17 KJB - And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

    2 Timothy 2:18 KJB - Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
     
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    1 Timothy 5:12 KJB - Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
     
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    2 Peter 2:15 KJB - Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
     
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