3rd of 2 Thess. 2:1-4, the Rapture

Another obvious point is that this Messianic 490 year timeline INCLUDES the Messianic events it lists. So not only does it remain intact AS IS (no slicing and dicing) but also the coming of the Messiah, and the cross where Christ causes the sacrifices and offerings to 'cease' permenantly all their significance before the Lord (Heb 10:4-12) - are key Gospel events LISTED in the timeline and INCLUDED in the contiguous unbroken timeline.

John Wesley seems to “get it”
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3504/3.html#000039


Matthew Henry seems to “get it”
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3504/3.html#000038


Martin Luther seems to “get it”
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3504/3.html#000037

 

The rapture (1Thess 4) includes the "Shout" the Trumpet blast and the "Voice" of the archangel.

It is seen in Rev 19, it is seen in 1Thess 4.

In Christ,

Bob

 

NO, again here is an example of folks failing to understand the "FEAST DAYS".

The "Day of Christ/Feast of Trumpets" corrsponds to the "Rapture", this "TRUMPET" (Voice) is the "LAST (trump) VOICE OF JESUS" (Holy Ghost) as "HE" is "taken out of the way" for the trib to follow.

But the "LAST TRUMPET" was blown when "ATONEMENT" was made and "FINISHED",

in the "DAY OF ATONEMENT" which corresponds to the Trib period.



The "GOAT OF SIN"...Sacrificed".. represented the "BODY OF FLESH", we sacrifice our "Goat" when we "Crucify the flesh" (old man).

On the Cross, Jesus "BECAME SIN" his "BODY" became a "GOAT OF SIN" sacrificed "FOR SIN", in other words he became the "SCAPEGOAT".

"BY HIS STRIPES" Jesus made "ATONEMENT" with God, however Israel rejected Jesus, and God uses the AC as a "ROD" to inflict "STRIPES" on their "FLESH" (murder/abuse) as "Chastisement",

but the "BODY OF CHRIST" (Jesus) has already suffered "Stripes" for the "Church, therefore the Church will "LITERALLY PASSOVER (pre trib rapture) the trib period of Chastisement.

This is why Jesus is called the "PASSOVER LAMB".

The Church only "SPIRITUALLY" crucifies the "OLD GOAT", while Israel will have to "LITERALLY" crucify the "OLD GOAT", to make "ATONEMENT", if they chose to be saved.

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (Physical Stripes)

Re 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God,

Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

 

Sheee!!!, I knew the "SPIRIT" had taught me a lot, but not above the likes of Wesley, Henry, Luther,

I'll have to give "HIM" an "Extra THANKS".

 

And also listed there were Adam Clarke and Jamieson Fausset Brown.

Truly a good list to toss in the garbage if your interest is to "serve" the idea of "chopping, hacking and splicing" ONE BIBLE TIMELINE in direct contradiction to the way ALL Bible timelines actually WORK!

Actually the list of people that trash Luther, Wesley, Matthew Henry, Adam Clark, Jamieson Faussett Brown etc just so they can slice dice hack and chop a single Bible timeline -- should be small EVEN on the Baptist board!!

As it is - these list of great Bible students merely sustain the point ALREADY MADE FROM SCRIPTURE which is that ALL BIBLE TIMELINES are contiguous. Slicing, dicing hacking and chopping them has never worked.

Obviously.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Obviously.

So making claims OUTSIDE of an actual Bible "timeline" (See Jeremiahs 70 year TIMELINE in Dan 9 or see the 490 year TIMELINE in Dan 9 as EXAMPLES of actual TIMELINES) -- is the fallacy of equivocation.

Wrong.

The 3rd day "raised" with Christ is the PAST TENSE Gospel promise of new birth - the SAME for ALL (even Jews as we see with Paul) as Paul points out in Romans 6.

So the 3 days REMAIN literal, intact - not splice sliced and diced to meet the traditions of man.

But the promised benefit goes out to all for all time.

You are simply grasping at straws to defend the chop and slice approach you need with a timeline.

As for Christ "really rising on the 3rd day" -- that is a timeline that we ALSO do not whack hack and chop.

 

[QB] BobRyan: //As it is - these list of great Bible students merely sustain
the point ALREADY MADE FROM SCRIPTURE which is that
ALL BIBLE TIMELINES are contiguous.//

Wow - THAT one came out of left field!!

Care to get back on topic??!!

The "point" was that ALL the authors listed ACCEPT the RULE that ALL Bible prophecy timelines (the 70 years of Jeremiah AND the 490 years of Dan 9 BOTH referenced in Dan 9 in this case) REMAIN IN TACT!!

No chopping.

Slicing

Dicing. Whacking etc.

JUST like the first 7 weeks (49 years) of the 490 years STAY with the entire 490 years SO also does the LAST week (7 years).

Obviously.

Failing to address that - you go after "Ellen White"???

What is up with that???

In Christ,

Bob

 

The well know Bible commentaries I referenced SHOW that no such slicing, dicing, chopping and tearing of the Daniel 9 timeline is "Excused"!!

The FIRST 49 years (in the first 7 weeks) REMAINS CONNECTED to the entire 490 year timeline JUST as the last 7 years do.

Which means (as they also observe) ALL the Messianic events described remain IN the timeline as well!!

How convenient, obvious. direct and unnavoidable!!

Hey - how did you know I was in NC??

And even so - why would God object to my declaring that His timelines are to REMAIN INTACT and NOT to be sliced, diced, whacked and chopped by the traditions of men?

Seems like I might get a little extra dispensation from any stray thuderstorm doing that don't you think?

(BTW - what thunderstorm are you talking about?)

In Christ,

Bob

 

Without the "Signs and wonders" produced by the "law and Prophets",

"JEWS WON"T BELIEVE"

And

"JESUS WON"T GIVE".

The "L/P" stopped with Jesus, and won't "RETURN" until the "Leadership" of Jesus, (Holy Ghost/Comforter/Voice of Jesus) is "Taken out of the way". (rapture)

"Leadership" by both the "Holy Ghost" and "L/P" DO NOT function at the same time, in the same time frame.

This is "JUST ONE" of the many reasons for a "Pre trib rapture", during the trib "
Elijah/Moses (Two witnesses) will "RETURN" along with many "SIGNS AND WONDERS".

"IF" the 70 weeks are "FINISHED", WHY does Israel go back under the L/P system, WHY Elijah/Moses, WHY is the trib directed "AT ISRAEL"??

Scripture can't be fully understood by knowing "WHAT IS HAPPENING", until you know "WHY IT IS HAPPENING".

 

Hey 11, 430 odd posts and I just now notice that thanks to you Ed!! I salute you.

I have to wonder about that 9.5 posts/day. They must be counting my "edit" of my posts where I clean them up and remove the goofy mistakes.

Yes I saw that - thanks for pointing it out. It is a high honor to be this verbose and still posting away.

And of course "I still" don't claim to be a Baptist - but I do attend Baptist churches from time to time (some years on a regular basis Sunday to Sunday) -- or at least churches run by Moody Bible Institute

 

I have about 450 post, since Dec 28 2004.

Average, 1.2 per day.

Let see ya'll post a post that is only a .2 post.

 

The rapture and why its preached has always intriged me. Money? Lucre? I see that Ed Edwards seems to be very passionate about the rapture. Maybe you (ED) could answer some questions i have? Thanks. Talk to you later.

 

JUDE 1 [14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Hi Ed
Who are these ten thousand of saints?