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OfLivingWaters

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Revelation 20:5 said:
There are clues to the identity of the harlot and the great city nicknamed "Babylon"(Rev 17-18) in other places in the bible. Look at Isaiah chapter 1. Isaiah is describing the Lord's judgement on Israel of his day(mid 8th century BC). Look at verses 3 & 4:

The ox knows its owner
And the donkey its master’s crib;
But Israel does not know,
My people do not consider.”

Alas, sinful nation,
A people laden with iniquity,
A brood of evildoers,
Children who are corrupters!
They have forsaken the Lord,
They have provoked to anger
The Holy One of Israel,
They have turned away backward.

No doubt this is referring to Israel's past judgement.
Now look at verse 21:

How the faithful city has become a harlot!
It was full of justice;
Righteousness lodged in it,
But now murderers.

Now look at Matthew 23:37: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! and compare that to Revelation 18:24: And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth(Greek "ge"-Land).

There are other clues such as the vestments of the high priest: Rev 17:4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls

Exodus 28:15:
“You shall make the breastplate of judgment. Artistically woven according to the workmanship of the ephod you shall make it: of gold, blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine woven linen, you shall make it.

verses 36-38:
36 “You shall also make a plate of pure gold and engrave on it, like the engraving of a signet:

HOLINESS TO THE LORD.

37 And you shall put it on a blue cord, that it may be on the turban; it shall be on the front of the turban. 38 So it shall be on Aaron’s forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things which the children of Israel hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall always be on his forehead, that they may be accepted before the Lord.

Rev. 17:5 is a describing a warped imitation of the crown worn by the corrupt high priests at that time. This is all about the judgement of God on Israel 66-70AD!
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There is also the blood of martyrs and saints in Rome. I know the history of both. You can knock yourself out all you want. God is dealing with the world. Babylon consist of multitudes and nations as I said in my post. However, the harlot is the Vatican, who is in alignment with the Masonic Jews who will influence the Christian world through the harlot. As for Jerusalem, there is a great earthquake which a tenth of the city is destroyed, it has an exact name the Lord calls Jerusalem (Mystical Sodom and Egypt).
Nothing more and nothing less, but what it EXACTLY is. We know the bodies of the Witnesses will lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem for this is where their prophesying is. And yes as usual Jerusalem will slay its prophets. But Rome is second in line concerning the same behavior toward the anointed of God. History, it can not be ignored, nor the fact that St.Peter wrote :
1 Peter 5:13-14
13 Your sister church in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark. 14 Greet one another with a kiss of love.
He wrote this while in Rome. It is reiterated in the Rev. as MYSTERY BABYLON, Rome consisted of many kingdoms then and now.


The Witnesses Killed and Raised 11:7-9
7When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them. 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city — mystically called Sodom and Egypt — where their Lord was also crucified. 9For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb.…

Every reference in the Revelation to fall and destruction- is not just about Jerusalem. And if anyone thinks that- he is naive.
Use scripture and apply to whatever nation you want. REV.11:8 is clear she is called Mystical Sodom and Egypt. Babylon is a conglomerate. But the Harlot wields her authority off its back. This is the New Roman Empire. It is not just Rome Italy, but is of the Power of Rome this is why I say Rome rules the worlds major powers.
Are you defending the Pope are you for heretical doctrine? Vatican =Harlot , Jerusalem =
Sodom and Egypt, Babylon= the major super powers of the world united through the EU .
 
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OfLivingWaters said:
Really?
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Yes. The Book of Revelation concerning the things that would happen was written for that period of time. You extrapolate this to bring it here into the future. If the anti-Christ is to be found in this day and age it is George Soros, the most evil man in the world.
 
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Adonia said:
Yes. The Book of Revelation concerning the things that would happen was written for that period of time. You extrapolate this to bring it here into the future. If the anti-Christ is to be found in this day and age it is George Soros, the most evil man in the world.
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Just another player in the big picture!
 
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OfLivingWaters said:
Are you defending the Pope are you for heretical doctrine? Vatican =Harlot , Jerusalem =
Sodom and Egypt, Babylon= the major super powers of the world united through the EU .
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I'm not a Catholic and never have been and I don't agree with everything the Catholic church proposes with regard to doctrine, but the events described in Revelation have nothing to do with the Catholic church.

The harlot motif throughout the old testament has almost always been connected to an apostate Israel: Jeremiah 3, Isaiah 1, Ezekiel 23, Hosea 2

Here are a few other things to consider. Jerusalem has its own set of seven hills/mountains: Mt. of Olives, Mt. Zion, Mt. Scopus, Mt. of Offense, Hill of Evil Counsel, Northwestern Hill, Northeastern Hill.

Also there is a little known issue with the English translation in Revelation 17verse 8a. It reads from the King James this way: The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: If you look at the Greek interlinear, the verse reads this way: The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition. Here is proof: Revelation 17:8 Interlinear: 'The beast that thou didst see: it was, and it is not; and it is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go away to destruction, and wonder shall those dwelling upon the earth, whose names have not been written upon the scroll of the life from the foundation of the world, beholding the beast that was, and is not, although it is. The Greek word "mellei" which means: "to be about to" was completely ignored in the English translation. They simply translated "mello" into English as "shall".
 
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OfLivingWaters said:
Absolutely! I am assuming you are talking about the "Rapture" or as scripture calls it "the snatching up". The snatching up is at the end of the tribulation.
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By the way, forgot to welcome you to the forum: I hope your time here will be blessed and that you in turn will be a blessing to others here.

Now, in regards to the Rapture, I would suggest to you that it is quite impossible for the Rapture to take place at the end of the Tribulation.

A couple reasons would be...

1. If the Rapture took place at the end of the Tribulation that would leave no physical believers left to repopulate the world during the Millennial Kingdom. We see a great multitude of unbelievers who come under God's judgment and are destroyed at the end of the thousand years following Christ's Return:


Revelation 20:7-9
King James Version (KJV)

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


The Rapture is first and foremost a resurrection event, in which those who are dead in Christ are raised, then we which are physically alive are also changed:


1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
King James Version (KJV)

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So we see that the entire Church as a whole is raised at this time. That we will from thence on be with the Lord doesn't really leave room for a scenario where we are simply raised to meet Christ in the air, only to return to the earth.


2. There is no rapture event seen in Christ's Return anywhere in Scripture. We do have the Tribulation Martyrs raised from the dead...

Revelation 20:4-5
King James Version (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


...but we do not see anything that nullifies Christ's teaching in Matthew 25, where we see the Sheep (believers) separated from the Goats (unbelievers) and only the Sheep remain alive. The corollary to the death of the Goats is the Sheep remaining alive.


3. While many view "first" in "the First Resurrection" to mean this is the first resurrection to take place, we know that is not the case, which means that the alternate usage of the word (which means first in rank rather than having a sequential meaning) must be applied. Not only is this not the first resurrection, it is not described as a Rapture as we see the Rapture of the Two Witnesses is:


Revelation 11:7-12
King James Version (KJV)

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.


So even if the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is not embraced, we would see this as the "second" resurrection, Christ's Own Resurrection being the First in a sequential context. That would make the resurrection of the Tribulation Martyrs the third in a sequential context.

The First Resurrection is the Resurrection unto life, contrasted with the resurrection unto damnation.

And that should be sufficient to start a dialogue, I would think.

In regards to the Antichrist, it is just my view that no-one will recognize this person until the mid-point of the Tribulation, when he kills the Two Witnesses (who cannot be harmed for forty two months/3 1/2 years). He is given power himself for forty two months, which will carry through to the end of the Seventieth Week.

Again, welcome to the Forum, look forward to discussing the Word of God with you.


God bless.
 
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Yes I know , the seven hills. It is clear, maybe not to you, your argument makes no sense for the simple fact..... that if you read Rev. 18 Babylon is totally destroyed! Israel will not be totally destroyed by God. Nice try though. Rev. always makes for HOT discussion.
You would probably know if you knew the story of Jacob= Israel's story that Israel will not be totally destroyed. If you understood the Wedding Feast at Canaan dialogue between Mother Miriam(Mary) and Yeshua..... If you knew this, you would know where the Wedding Feast of the Lamb will take place after the FALL of BABYLON. But that is for another discussion. God Bless!
 
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OfLivingWaters

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Darrell C said:
By the way, forgot to welcome you to the forum: I hope your time here will be blessed and that you in turn will be a blessing to others here.

Now, in regards to the Rapture, I would suggest to you that it is quite impossible for the Rapture to take place at the end of the Tribulation.

A couple reasons would be...

1. If the Rapture took place at the end of the Tribulation that would leave no physical believers left to repopulate the world during the Millennial Kingdom. We see a great multitude of unbelievers who come under God's judgment and are destroyed at the end of the thousand years following Christ's Return:


Revelation 20:7-9
King James Version (KJV)

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


The Rapture is first and foremost a resurrection event, in which those who are dead in Christ are raised, then we which are physically alive are also changed:


1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
King James Version (KJV)

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So we see that the entire Church as a whole is raised at this time. That we will from thence on be with the Lord doesn't really leave room for a scenario where we are simply raised to meet Christ in the air, only to return to the earth.


2. There is no rapture event seen in Christ's Return anywhere in Scripture. We do have the Tribulation Martyrs raised from the dead...

Revelation 20:4-5
King James Version (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


...but we do not see anything that nullifies Christ's teaching in Matthew 25, where we see the Sheep (believers) separated from the Goats (unbelievers) and only the Sheep remain alive. The corollary to the death of the Goats is the Sheep remaining alive.


3. While many view "first" in "the First Resurrection" to mean this is the first resurrection to take place, we know that is not the case, which means that the alternate usage of the word (which means first in rank rather than having a sequential meaning) must be applied. Not only is this not the first resurrection, it is not described as a Rapture as we see the Rapture of the Two Witnesses is:


Revelation 11:7-12
King James Version (KJV)

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.


So even if the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is not embraced, we would see this as the "second" resurrection, Christ's Own Resurrection being the First in a sequential context. That would make the resurrection of the Tribulation Martyrs the third in a sequential context.

The First Resurrection is the Resurrection unto life, contrasted with the resurrection unto damnation.

And that should be sufficient to start a dialogue, I would think.

In regards to the Antichrist, it is just my view that no-one will recognize this person until the mid-point of the Tribulation, when he kills the Two Witnesses (who cannot be harmed for forty two months/3 1/2 years). He is given power himself for forty two months, which will carry through to the end of the Seventieth Week.

Again, welcome to the Forum, look forward to discussing the Word of God with you.


God bless.
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End of tribulation snatching up only. You have no clue. Re-population WOW! I am not even going to touch all of that. Blessed are those who are of the FIRST RESURRECTION. I do not know what denomination or cult you have been getting your Kool-Aid from, but you are so far off base it isn't even funny. Anyway, I put what information I can , those who hear and believe will be lead to the next phase, with each step they will know if they will be part of the Elect end time Bride. Everything I have posted will happen and when the first Woe begins maybe you will be here still or not, in any case you will remember my words, for they are not my own. maybe you will hear the Witnesses if you make it through the onset of the 1st Woe, they will be here during it.God Bless!
 
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OfLivingWaters said:
End of tribulation snatching up only. You have no clue. Re-population WOW! I am not even going to touch all of that. Blessed are those who are of the FIRST RESURRECTION. I do not know what denomination or cult you have been getting your Kool-Aid from, but you are so far off base it isn't even funny. Anyway, I put what information I can , those who hear and believe will be lead to the next phase, with each step they will know if they will be part of the Elect end time Bride. Everything I have posted will happen and when the first Woe begins maybe you will be here still or not, in any case you will remember my words, for they are not my own. maybe you will hear the Witnesses if you make it through the onset of the 1st Woe, they will be here during it.God Bless!
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And that is all I need to know to identify you as a spokesman for God or not.

If you cannot even deal with 3 simple points but are reduced to attacking someone...you are only speaking for yourself.

Read of some true spokesmen like Paul, who spent his time daily disputing in the synagogues.

When you can address the points let me know. Until then, have fun.


God bless.
 
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Revelation 20:5

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OfLivingWaters said:
Yes I know , the seven hills. It is clear, maybe not to you, your argument makes no sense for the simple fact..... that if you read Rev. 18 Babylon is totally destroyed! Israel will not be totally destroyed by God. Nice try though. Rev. always makes for HOT discussion.
You would probably know if you knew the story of Jacob= Israel's story that Israel will not be totally destroyed. If you understood the Wedding Feast at Canaan dialogue between Mother Miriam(Mary) and Yeshua . If you knew this, you would know where the Wedding Feast of the Lamb will take place after the FALL of BABYLON. But that is for another discussion. God Bless!
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Jerusalem and the temple was totally destroyed BY FIRE on the 9th of Av 70AD. This is from the encyclopedia Britannica: The Romans finally overwhelmed the fortress, and the ancient temple was destroyed by fire in the ensuing battle, reputedly against the wishes of Titus. Siege of Jerusalem | Summary

In Revelation 18 v 8 it says: She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
In verse 13 it shows items used in temple services: cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep
In verse 22 it shows the musicians and trumpeters used in temple services that will be heard no more: The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again.

That destruction didn't mean Israel as a nation would be no more. It was showing that the corruption of the priesthood during the 1st century and the apostasy of most of Israel caused a judgement of God scenario. The Christians were told to get out of Dodge by Jesus in Luke 21v20-24:

“When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

That was the 1st surrounding of Jerusalem by Cestius Gallus in 66AD: Cestius Gallus - Wikipedia He departed after a 9 day siege. The Romans didn't return to Judea until the Roman general Titus arrived approx. 31/2 years later and completely destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. The time period between the 1st siege and 2nd siege would have given the Christians sufficient time to leave the area. Most went to a place called Pella. I think we would also agree that the times of the gentiles was fulfilled in 1948. I'm a partial preterist.

 
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Darrell C said:
This is true. And He will first and foremost teach them proper Doctrine.


God bless.
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So let me see , the thread is the Last Pope an 8th King. You are offended by what now? Is what I said offensive, or what Francis says? Hmmm! Who are you really attacking? Hmmm???? Your Point? Still haven't said where you stand concerning him.
Dropping bombs! Christ is the WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, No ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY HIM! What is your argument, and who is it REALLY against, SOLA SCRIPTURA!
 
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Revelation 20:5 said:
Jerusalem and the temple was totally destroyed BY FIRE on the 9th of Av 70AD. This is from the encyclopedia Britannica: The Romans finally overwhelmed the fortress, and the ancient temple was destroyed by fire in the ensuing battle, reputedly against the wishes of Titus. Siege of Jerusalem | Summary

In Revelation 18 v 8 it says: She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.
In verse 13 it shows items used in temple services: cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep
In verse 22 it shows the musicians and trumpeters used in temple services that will be heard no more: The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again.

That destruction didn't mean Israel as a nation would be no more. It was showing that the corruption of the priesthood during the 1st century and the apostasy of most of Israel caused a judgement of God scenario. The Christians were told to get out of Dodge by Jesus in Luke 21v20-24:

“When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

That was the 1st surrounding of Jerusalem by Cestius Gallus in 66AD: Cestius Gallus - Wikipedia He departed after a 9 day siege. The Romans didn't return to Judea until the Roman general Titus arrived approx. 31/2 years later and completely destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. The time period between the 1st siege and 2nd siege would have given the Christians sufficient time to leave the area. Most went to a place called Pella. I think we would also agree that the times of the gentiles was fulfilled in 1948. I'm a partial preterist.
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Yes they will be surrounded by troops, not what I am talking about. The smoke of her will not go up forever as does with Babylon.
Keep trying. Order of events Israel will be taking into captivity and the man of sin will declare himself as God. Can not do this when Israel is destroyed. The end days will conclude there. And this is not what I am referring to concerning the Wedding feast,
or the destruction of Babylon. Keep trying though. You want to keep insisting that Mystical Sodom and Egypt are the Harlot and Babylon -scripture has already proven you wrong. You can keep running in circles. The END OF ALL THINGS WILL CONCLUDE IN ISRAEL,but Babylon will have fallen by then. 6th seal, the pause............ to be continued!
 
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OfLivingWaters said:
Yes they will be surrounded by troops, not what I am talking about. The smoke of her will not go up forever as does with Babylon.
Keep trying. Order of events Israel will be taking into captivity and the man of sin will declare himself as God. Can not do this when Israel is destroyed. The end days will conclude there. And this is not what I am referring to concerning the Wedding feast,
or the destruction of Babylon. Keep trying though. You want to keep insisting that Mystical Sodom and Egypt are the Harlot and Babylon -scripture has already proven you wrong. You can running in circles. The END OF ALL THINGS WILL CONCLUDE IN ISRAEL,but Babylon will have fallen by then. 6th seal, the pause............ to be continued!
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Revelation 18:24 shows you exactly who "Babylon" is: Jerusalem. Daniel 12:4 states: But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time Then Daniel asks: How long will it be until the end of these wonders? Then the angel said: it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.

When the power of the holy people(Israel) was shattered was 70AD. Daniel was told to seal up the words of the prophecy until the "end of time". Daniel was told to But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age.” Daniel was told these things would not be fulfilled in his lifetime thus the phrase sealed up was used.

But Revelation 22:10 states: Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.
 
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Does not disclose who Babylon is. You seem to be missing the obvious there are many players, not just Israel. What is your point- we know things would not be fulfilled in Daniel's life time. This involves the whole world. Now you are just denying the Book of Revelation. Some things are obvious. Reply as you desire (SMOKE SCREEN). You have not disproved anything I posted.Just running in circles putting names where there are none. I brought historical facts, undeniable prophetic alignment along with historical proofs. You........ nothing, just rambling . It is what it is . If you want to call all the nations innocent and all is Israel have at it.
The world will prove you wrong and has.
 
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Revelation 20:5 said:
Revelation 18:24 shows you exactly who "Babylon" is: Jerusalem. Daniel 12:4 states: But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time Then Daniel asks: How long will it be until the end of these wonders? Then the angel said: it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish shattering the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.

When the power of the holy people(Israel) was shattered was 70AD. Daniel was told to seal up the words of the prophecy until the "end of time". Daniel was told to But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age.” Daniel was told these things would not be fulfilled in his lifetime thus the phrase sealed up was used.

But Revelation 22:10 states: Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.
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You have proven nothing with your use of the Rev.18:24 it is wrongly applied.
The only conclusion I can come to with you is you deny the historical relevance of the RCC, and the history of Christianity in Rome. Was Peter a prophet, martyr, saint or all? The same with Paul? And all the believers who rose up from their teachings,
what were they, or is this part of Christianity in history irrelevant ? And the Revelation is not in chronological order. It is a riddle and puzzle the chosen can put together.
You will not convince me I am wrong, or any intelligent chosen person for that matter, my argument is on point, because it is guided by the Holy Spirit.
 
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OfLivingWaters said:
You have proven nothing with your use of the Rev.18:24 it is wrongly applied.
The only conclusion I can come to with you is you deny the historical relevance of the RCC, and the history of Christianity in Rome. Was Peter a prophet, martyr, saint or all? The same with Paul? And all the believers who rose up from their teachings,
what were they, or is this part of Christianity in history irrelevant ? And the Revelation is not in chronological order. It is a riddle and puzzle the chosen can put together.
You will not convince me I am wrong, or any intelligent chosen person for that matter, my argument is on point, because it is guided by the Holy Spirit.
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Here are 30 verses in the Bible that refers to the killing of the prophets. Every one of them are referring to an apostate Israel. 30 Bible verses about Killing Prophets

Paul before his conversion to Christ was apart of this "harlot" and admitted that he had a part in putting Christians to death. Acts 26v10: which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
 
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