Celebrating Christmas is an Insult to Christ

Or to ignore the holidays that are taught and practiced in the Bible...

</font>[/QUOTE]You speak of Israel, of the Jew. Today in the eyes of God there is no Israel. All today are saved just like me, a heathen Gentile dog, by the Grace of God, through faith, for I cannot be saved as was the Jew by faith. Peter tells you this in the book of Acts 15:11, and Paul in Hebrews Romans 3:30.

We are not Jews today, but Christians. The Jews were great law makers, and we are to stay as far away from any man made laws as possible. We are dead to the Law, and we are not Israel. We are in the
Body of Christ, and God forbid any that wish to take a law of man into His Body.

Is Purim a god of idolatry? This is deliverance, and not an acceptance.

Nothing wrong with eating this pastry, hamantach. but you are as I, for Jesus said He came for none but His own, as shown in His first “great commission” in Matthew 10. But today He is reconciling the world unto Himself, so in the Spirit I will be communing with Him daily as He presents us to God our Father in Him.

And a great heritage you should, and are to be pround of. This is why it is so wonderful for me as a heathen to be able to be saved. He didn’t have to, but He did, for on His first visit He said He did not come for Me. Oh the unsearchable Riches of Christ (Ephesians 3:8). Christian faith, ituttut

 

And Sunday, Monday Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday are exempt? How about the months of the year too?

Do you buy gas for your car and support Muslims in doing so? </font>[/QUOTE]Brother gb93433,
I think the point our brother Eliyahu and others here who share his beliefs are trying to make is that these pagan things have been incorporated into our worship, whereas the names of the days of the week or buying gas have nothing to do with our worship of God.

Also, a thought for everyone:
There are many other true Christians and many Baptists for that matter who adhere to the Regulative Principle of Worship and who also would consider the celebration of Christmas to be worshipping God in the same manner of worship of the heathens, which God would forbid. I think if they wish to point out why they think the celebration of Chistmas is unscriptural and/or blasphemous that is fine, and if others wish to point out why they believe the celebration to be scriptural and not blasphemous, that is also fine, but frankly, it pains me to see others in this forum using such terms as "sticks-in-the-mud" or "bull", to name a couple I've read here, just because these Christians happen to hold a minority view.
Just my very brief 2 cents worth. </font>[/QUOTE]Wow. How did I miss this one with so much understanding. Christian faith, ituttut

 

It did when the Puritans went by the wayside. </font>[/QUOTE]God is never without a witness. I would say fewer and fewer. In the days of Noah, there were only 8 souls saved. Christian faith, ituttut

 

Another Brother that calls them as he sees them, in that flickering light of that angel. It is good to see other’s that reached the stage of "standing" and moving forward with His Word. Christian faith, ituttut

 

1. I met a Messianic Jew and he told me that the sixth month in verse 26 of ch 1,Luke as meaning the sixth month of Biblical calendar. Then,
Abib, Ziv, Sivan, Tammuz, Ab, Elul(Late August-early September) In that case Gabriel may have showed up early September,then Jesus could be born in early May, which means around Pentecost.
Torah was given around Pentecost (jews believe Pentecost exactly), Holy Spirit came down on Pentecost. Most possible time compatible with Shepherds kept outdoors.


2. December 25 is the birthday of Horus, Egyptian god, born by Isis (Mother of God)


3. Christmast Tree - Green Tree

Dt 12:2
2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess F38 served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree


2 Kings 16:4
And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.

Isaiah 57:5
Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children(ABORTION) in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks?

We can find several more about Green Tree, which was used in worshipping Ashera, Goddess, Mother of God

This was also used for worshipping Saturn the God of Agriculture in Rome.

Christmas Tree is the modernized form of this ever-green tree used for Ashera (Mother of God) worship.

Interestingly, in Assyria the goddess was called Ishtar (English- Easter)and she was perpetual Virgin, and Mother of God, even though she was goddess of love and sex.

You can refer to:

http://www.ishtartemple.org/history.htm

 

Hi I'm new, haven't figured this whole thing out yet. I was wondering if any of you knew tinytim?

 

ituttut,

You make many claims about the church and its history. You claim to know how and why Chrismas and Easter came to be celebrated.

Were you there when those alleged decisions were made?

It appears to me that you are actually in exactly the same boat as those you try to denigrate (Catholics and others in the historic, orthodox Christian churches). You seem to claim that they are wrapping themselves in the traditions and teachings of the magisterium. Aren't you merely wrapping yourself in your own (self-given) authoritative interpretation and opinions about Scripture. Aren't you claiming the same sort of infallibility that you accuse them of having?

And why should I trust your opinion and interpretation? Why wouldn't I look to the collective wisdom, piety, and knowledged of the church given to us from its earliest days, in the teaching of Scripture and the tradition of the earliest believers? Why would I think that someone or some small group who popped up 2000 years later got it all right?

Alexander

 

Christmas is a pagan worship! Read Bible about Astaroth, Ashera, goddess worship. All the time Israel worshipped Ashera underneath Green Trees.

Roman Catholic is the biggest cult full of Heresies. Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (Rev 18:4)
Don't go to the Lake of Fire!

 

Collective wisdom and piety--

Who was keeping the traditions and interpretations straight when the anti-popes were in "ex-officio"? Maybe they were still working on their infallibility. In the meanwhile...who was keeping the pillar and ground of the truth?

The traditions of men can never be on the same level as the revealed Word of God. Men are infinitely depraved, God is infinitely Holy.

While it may be proven that the largest "Christian" group is the cult of Nimrod, only The Holy Spirit can call out of darkness into light.

Preach the Word.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

Funny, I didn't see an Ashera pole under my Christmas tree. Just because a pagan uses a particular location for their rituals does not preclude a Christian from using a similar location. Of course, I also didn't realize that celebrating the Birth of Christ was pagan. But then again I have never understood the holier than thou legalist.

 

As you know, I neither have a problem with those who celebrate, nor those who choose not to. However, we are told to take the pagan altars and turn them into altars to God. So, use a tree or don't use a tree... does it really matter?

 

Wonderful post procyon, truer words have never been spoken

 

Right on about “green tree”. Each reference in His Word, 14 times, connects the “green tree” to idolatry. Do not the churches today make the same mistake that Israel did? We have the “green tree” or its substitute the “artificial tree” in our homes, for we must have something to show we are with the world as they “bow down under the tree” with their gifts, not to God, but to man. We set aside this one day of the year to Remember His Birthday, a Birthday no one knows what the date is. Very strange to some of us, and Very strange to God I am sure.

I am starting a new subject (thread) along these lines in this forum, plus Baptist Theology and Bible; also Fundamental Baptist Forum. This endeavor may turn up a Christian church/s (a church-earthly) that rejects idolatry of the “green tree”. Also inquire if anyone attends (are knows of) a church that does not allow the “green” into the church during this Holy season. This will include the “hanging of the green” in connection with choir presentations during this Holy time of year of the pagans. Christian faith, ituttut

 

It does not.

Dt 12:2 is talking destryong places where false gods were worshipped: From every hilltop to mountaintop, to under every green tree. So unless you are condemning churches built on hills and mountains, you can't use this verse to condemn trees in general.

2 Kings 16:4 - again, same thing. It mentions high places, low places, and under every green tree. And it's not talking about the locations, it's talking about the burning of incense thereby.

Isaiah 57:5 doesn't condemn the tree any more than in condemns rock cliffs. It's condemning enflaming oneself with idols. And where one gets the idea that the cerse is discussing abortion is quite a stretch.

Yet none condemns the tree itself, but idolatry and the like. This fact, plus the fact that Christians who engage in the custom of having a Christmas tree do not worship false gods, leaves the "christmas trees are idolatrous" claim without merit, scripturally or otherwise.

 

Grace Bible Baptist Church, which meets in Denham Springs, La., does not do the Mass of Christ(Christmas). She has not a cross nor crucifix. There is a pulpit with the words: "This Do In Remembrance of Me", also, a small table with flowers. She also has a modern piano. About 25-- born again, baptized believers meet there three or more times a week. We worship, pray, preach and see to the missionary work in Thailand, Romania and New Guinea. She has never been Catholic or Protestant.
She traces her faith and practice to the shores of Galilee--circa: A.D. 30, when Jesus called out the first assembly.

She is Sovereign Grace, Landmark, Missionary, Baptistic, Premillenial, blood bought, and anxiously awaiting the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

It does not.

Dt 12:2 is talking destryong places where false gods were worshipped: From every hilltop to mountaintop, to under every green tree. So unless you are condemning churches built on hills and mountains, you can't use this verse to condemn trees in general.

2 Kings 16:4 - again, same thing. It mentions high places, low places, and under every green tree. And it's not talking about the locations, it's talking about the burning of incense thereby.

Isaiah 57:5 doesn't condemn the tree any more than in condemns rock cliffs. It's condemning enflaming oneself with idols. And where one gets the idea that the cerse is discussing abortion is quite a stretch.

Yet none condemns the tree itself, but idolatry and the like. This fact, plus the fact that Christians who engage in the custom of having a Christmas tree do not worship false gods, leaves the "christmas trees are idolatrous" claim without merit, scripturally or otherwise. </font>[/QUOTE]"Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2. Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good." Jeremiah 10:1-5.

Does the heathen not cut down "green trees"? Is this not the custom of the idolater? Christian faith, ituttut

 

Liberty Baptist Church, which consist of 8 souls, does not do the mass either. It's only a season looking for a reason. Christ was NEVER "in" it.

 

You notably omit the crux of the verse: "Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good."

I neither worship nor fear the Christmas tree, and honor scripture via such a conviction.

 

Hello again Alexander. I know who was there when the pagan Holy days were brought into that church. It is verified history, so through the eyes of documented and verified history I am there.

I have posted something to this effect before. History, acceptable history by all, shows this particular form of paganism was brought into the Catholic church officially by Constantine, he being named Pontifus Maximus – high priest of paganism. Constantine was a Pagan Emperor. Isn’t there someone even today that carries that same title, “Pontifus Maximus”?

The small group began a few years after Damascus Road. Why do you trust the “Fathers” of an earthly church? The Christian church did not start with Peter at Pentecost. The Christian church could only begin after Damascus Road, for the Christian Church contains both Gentiles and Jews. This is the “earthly Christian” church, and you will not find in the Word of God those Christians setting apart a Holy Day for the birthday of Jesus. If you read the Bible then you must admit the Christians, as the Apostles lived did not observe any pagan holidays.

Perhaps this is a little dramatic, but I see truth in it. These idol worshippers of old had the zeal, the belief and the faith, and would not change, or let go either of their sacred Holy Days. They told the “church” we will join you, but only on the condition that you let us bring into your church our beloved God and Goddess. We will do as you ask and do all of your rites, if you will do just two things for us. You must allow your people to worship their God on the same day’s (two Holy Days) that we worship ours. It is his birthday (our god) and since you don’t know or care about yours, come worship with us on this Holy Day. Is that a deal? The church’s reply was a resounding “Halleluiah! In this way we can really let God know how much we love him. He’ll surely appreciate that we (..uh, you..uh) came up this idea to celebrate His birthday on the same day as your God. Just think we can bring your God into our church to sit side by side with God.” Christian faith, ituttut

 

Hmm... I don't see a problem with celebrating the birth of Jesus on December 25th, but I can look at facts and know that's one of the days that we can absolutely rule out as a possibility.

By the same token, I don't see a problem with celebrating the Resurrection on the date that is designated as "Easter", even though it is impossible for those to dates to ever actually coincide.

Why do so many seem to think that Easter and Christmas are actually the dates that these events happened, even though it is quite impossible based on Scriptural evidence and historical evidence combined?

BTW, don't forget that the word "Easter" never appears in the Scriptures; that was added by man later in order to try to justify the celebration of Easter.