Salvation by any other name.....

From another post we discussed them going to Heaven , but this is based mainly upon one statement from David.

It is one of my favorite subjects. (I believe differently than most here in this regard and would prefer to discuss this separately)

We have been talking about those that were righteously and died without a specific knowledge of Jesus

 

my goodness, not English, not believing in God, not believing that God is salvation but only belief in nane of Jesus will get you to heaven.

If you are not to invent another way to Heaven and decide God does have favorites, then these OT saints have to hear about JESUS. When did this happen in their lifetime? It didn't , But it had to happen sometimr, You have been given the answer,

 

yes they did, belief in anyone else would not be sufficient.

 

not sufficient, . This is the belief of a coming Messiah that is counted for righteousness, We are saved by belief in Jesus

 

not sufficient, . This is the belief of a coming Messiah that is counted for righteousness, We are saved by belief in Jesus

 

They preached Messiah,

 

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(6) For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead.--This version is misleading, and seems indeed to be one of those rare cases where the original has been expanded by the translators for doctrinal ends. The Greek is simply, For for this end was the gospel preached to the dead also, or, still more literally, to dead men also. No one with an un-preoccupied mind could doubt, taking this clause by itself, that the persons to whom this preaching was made were dead at the time of being preached to. If this is the case, then, pretty obviously, St. Peter is carrying us back to his teaching of 1Peter 3:19, and is explaining further the purpose of Christ's descent into hell.

 

Paradise Relocated
by Wayne D. Turner
From BibleTrack
Copyright 2004-2008

Consider these verses with regard to the location of Hell (hades) and Paradise then and now.

• In Matthew 12:40 Jesus said he would spend three days AND three nights in the heart of the earth.
• In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus identifies a place called "Abraham's bosom" within eyesight of a place of torment called "hell" separated by a "great gulf."
• In Luke 23:43 Jesus tells the thief that got saved that today he would join him in "paradise," not Heaven.
• In I Peter 3:19 Peter says that Jesus preached to the "spirits in prison."
• In Ephesians 4:8-10 Paul says that Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth after his crucifixion and led "captivity captive" i.e. "a band of captives" when he ascended.
• In John 20:17 Jesus tells Mary not to touch him because he has not yet ascended to "my Father."
• In Matthew 27:52-54 we see that after the resurrection of Jesus, "many" of the resurrected saints wandered into Jerusalem and appeared to many.

So, let's compile the incidents on this issue based upon these passages. Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be in the "heart of the earth" for three days and three nights. He told the dying man next to him on the cross that he would join him there "this day." Jesus identified such a place (paradise) in Luke 16:19-31 within eyesight of hades. Peter tells us in I Peter 3:19 that Jesus preached to these captives ("spirits in prison"). When Jesus appeared to Mary in John 20, Jesus notified her in verse 17 that he had resurrected, but not yet ascended to Heaven. Paul said that Jesus led a band of captives when he descended (to receive them) and ascended in Ephesians 4:8-10. While leading this "band of captives" from "paradise" to Heaven, Jesus visited with Mary on earth prior to delivering these saints to their final destination. Some of these captives apparently had already taken an excursion into Jerusalem while Jesus was talking to Mary, according to Matthew 27:52-54.

If all of this seems to fit to you, then consider the following:

• Paradise in the center of the earth has been evacuated.
• Only the place of torments (Hell, hades) remains there. Hell will be cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 20:14.
• Those saints who died prior to the resurrection are now in Heaven, not paradise.
• The rapture of I Thessalonians 4:15-18 and I Corinthians 15:51-53 will include only those in Christ since the resurrection.

Why was it necessary for the Old Testament saints to be held in "paradise" prior to the resurrection of Jesus?

The answer is found in Hebrews 11:39-40:

Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Notice the condition of the Believer since the sacrifice of the cross:

• I Corinthians 2:6, "Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect:"
• Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
• II Tim. 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

In other words, our faith makes us "perfect" (Greek: telios - complete) in Christ Jesus, but that was not possible until the atoning sacrifice had been made on the cross. The Old Testament saints were made "perfect," but not until after the sacrifice that makes Believers today "perfect" also. Perfect here is used in the context of righteousness. Believers are made "righteous" or "perfect" in Christ as a result of his sacrificial death. That is why Hebrews 11:40 says that they (Old Testament saints) could not be made perfect "without us" or apart from us. At the point of the resurrection, all Believers (Old and New Testament) were perfected (regarded as righteous before God) through the sacrificial death of Jesus on the cross. In other words, our spiritual relationship with God is perfect

 

Common knowledge where I am from. Maybe it needs to be taught in other areas.

 

It did not saved but was accounted for righteousness for them , all in Hebrews 11, Salvation is of Jesus

Act 4:12

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.