Being slain in the Spirit?

Ray,

The Bible does not say that the Apostle John who saw Christ and '. . . fell at His feet as dead' fell backwards.

As a matter of fact, if you ever watch police investigations on television, you may find something very interesting, many are found dead on their faces by the police.

So using 'fell at his feet as a dead man' is not concrete proof of falling backward when accepting a touch from the Lord.

 

In particular 'testing the spirits' has been widely used by unloving people to make other brethren into pagans or goofy people. The purpose of the Apostle John in I John 4:1-3 was so that the church can determine who is saved and who are unbelievers. This was a litmus test. Anyone who truly believes in Jesus Christ in his or her mind, spirit and soul--is born again.

 

standingfirminChrist,

Whether a person falls to the left, right, forward or backward is not important, though, unbelieveably some try to make an issue out of this.

I think these people need to 'get a life' or they should sit and talk with a person who has experienced these things from the Lord. Maybe, they would not be as critical and might even find out they have not experienced everything that He is willing to give to His people.

 

standingfirminChrist,

You said, 'But I will not lie to the people and make them to believe something that is not in God's Word.'

 

Ray, I have fell many times. To my knees and to my face. I have come up from those experiences humbled and also full of joy knowing Christ had touched me.

 

Let us break bread together on our knees, (on our knees)
Let us break bread together on our knees. (on our knees)
When I fall on my knees with my face to the rising sun,
O Lord, have mercy on me.
(an African-American Spiritual)

The authors of these age old Negro spirituals probably never heard the term "slain in the spirit." Nor did they fall on their backs:

'With their feet to the open air
Crying, O God have mercy,
In my despair.'

As present Charismatics might be prone to sing.
DHK

 

Great God, how infinite art Thou!
What worthless worms are we!
Let the whole race of creatures bow,
And pay their praise to Thee.

Isaac Watts 1707

 

standingfirminChrist,

You said you were brought up in Pentecostalism and were ordained in this branch of the Christian church.

Can you give us a yes or no as to whether you have fallen out under the power of the Holy Spirit? By this I mean were you unable to get up, until this experience was over?

Obviously, you do not have to answer this. I thought maybe you missed my question in the previous post.

It sounds like you were telling us that your worship was a voluntary kneeling in the Presence of the Lord. This too, is a wonderful thing. Why? Because the Lord always values our worship and adoration of Himself.

A brother in Christ,
Ray

 

Unable to get up? No. Anyone who has experienced such is dabbling in the occult. The Bible teaches that we need to have control of our minds at all times. If you are under the power of some other influence you are dealing with the occult. God throws no such constraint that over-rules your mind and body. If fact he commands us to be in control of our minds and bodies at all times. If you are not, one might rightly assume that you have given your body over to the control of demons.
Those who came under the control of other powers in the Bible were those who were demon-possessed; not Christians.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

2 Corinthians 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
DHK

 

I have, as I said above, fell to the floor through the divine moving of the Holy Spirit upon me. As I said before, it was always to my knees or to my face. And yes, I was unable to get up for several minutes each time.

Although I have bowed many times under my own volition, these times I know it was the Spirit that took me to my knees or to my face.

Thy fellowservant,
Ron

 

I thought 'being slain in the Spirit' is what happened to Ananias and Sapphira!!

 

Your post is very inflammatory, and certainly not accurate.
"Mind control??" Your very suggestion of such implies that either "we" or Bible-Boy in particular are involved in a cult. Or does that go for all Baptists? Do Baptists practice mind control such as the Moonies do? That is the accusation that is being made by you. I think that warrants an apology.

"Being led to a particular destination" Yes, that is right. Bible-boy has set forth one Biblical principle after another which most have agreed to. He has done exactly what the Bible has commanded us to do:

Isaiah 28:9-10 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

What does the Bible teach here? If you want to learn doctrine, and not simply be fed milk, you must be taught precept by precept, line upon line. Bible Boy has done a good job of that. If you have disagreed with anything that he has said you have ample opportunity to say so. But slander will not be tolerated. To white-wash us with the characteristics of a cult is, when you are a guest of this board both insulting, and quite out of place. I think you should know better.

If the line upon line... has led one to the wrong conclusion as you suggest, then come out and say it. Don't infer it. You are acting as if you are the one with the hidden agenda. Is this becoming of all Charismatics or just you?
Tam, I would think better behaviour of you is in order.
DHK

 

DHK,

.

 

Ray, you (and others included) honestly can't see the HUGE difference that those "two seconds" make when (ab)using the passage in attempts to justify your experience?

The event is either as you like to suggest, the brand new baby Apostle Paul having a "Betty Botter bought some butter yabba-dabba-do time..." Or it is the persecutor of the Church receiving a wake up call from the Head of the Church he is persecuting.

Read (again) the conversation between the Lord and Saul in Acts 9:4-5 in whatever translation you wish to name. Then read it again. Don't just continue in your apparent practice of reading the first half of 9:4 about Saul falling and then saying "here endeth the lesson, amen" and closing the Bible. After Saul fell in 9:4 he heard the voice "Saul, why do you persecute me?" Saul's reply was "Who are you, Lord?" "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting"

Did anyone see it this time? Just in case it was missed (again) here it is again:

"Saul, why do you persecute me?"
"Who are you, Lord?"
"I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting"

Why would Jesus ask Saul why is he persecuting Him? Had Saul started to backslide again already? Why would Saul ask who the Lord was if he knew Him at that stage? Why didn't Saul say like Thomas "My Lord and my God!"?

Ray, others and myself have noted what slain advocates claim as Scriptural proof for the experience, and have pointed out on each passage you try to use the things you leave out (like Saul not being Christian at the time of his experience, and John writing Revelation after his.) Really, who is denying what now? Compare what the Bible actually says against what you want it to say.

Rightttt...As did my mother...But as Bible-boy asked I'll stay off the anecdotal...

Now we are getting back to the experience over the Word of God Ray

This "connection to God" and Biblical dishonesty seem to be magnets for each other...

Anyone for Gnosticism?


(And I agree with all points so far Bible-boy)

 

DHK,

I justification by faith mysticism also or is it part of your Gnostic heresy theory?

And as to proving anything--you cannot prove that you are sitting in Canada, nor can I prove I am sitting in Hellertown, Pennsylvania. Especially, a philosopher might argue the above.

Most of what Christians believe is a matter of faith, though we contend that we have been justified in the eyes of God by faith in Jesus Christ.

You either believe that Saul and the Apostle John fell because of the mighty power and Presence of the Holy Spirit or you do not believe in these historical and spiritual records for us to read and learn.

You have made a choice, but it is not irrevocable.

 

Pete,

Everyone knows the Scripture of I Corinthians 12-14 is the precedent and is the final authority over most Christian experiences.

But when you believe that God is true--you will not limit the ways that the Lord deals with His people--and yet always within the framework of His most holy Word--the Bible.

While I have given you in former posts--Scriptural proof of the mighty power of the Holy Spirit, you gentlemen have given no proof that say these experiences among some Christians are not genuine. Neither have you given Scripture that they are Gnostic or any of the 'little wheelbarrows' that you push along to contain your error and deceptions.