The truth shall set you free

I suggest that "tribalism" is apparent in many of our theology discussions.
Obviously in discussions about the nation of Israel in supposed realised prophecy;
Also in dispensationalism & the rejection of it - we tend to believe what we were taught as we trust those who called us to Christ for salvation;
And Calvinism vs Arminianism - where we have our tribal heads named
What are denominations but tribes?

 

Having worked with the Navajo people it is apparent that some in this thread have no idea what tribalism is and many native Americans would be offended at the use of it..

 

Honestly Dragon, I see the usage of ("tribal, tribalism") as the old marxist tactic of concocting signature words and phrases as tools in the old divide and conquer strategy.

Our "bodies" develop immunity to socially engineered diseases as well as physical diseases.
Why haven't the social engineers hired by the DNC realized this?
They failed in the pre-primary Trump collapse expectation, the primary expectation, the election expectation, the "resistance" expectation, the "collusion" expectation, the smear campaign expectation with President Trump triumphing with success and yet they continue on with their strategy.

All they have accomplished is to make President Trump a 21st century political " Robin Hood" or "Zorro".
The news 24/7 filled with Trump, Trump, Trump. Billions in free news ads.

I believe the tipping point has come and gone.

True, the up and coming generation of Americans will be neo-marxist but now it will cost even more time for them to recover lost ground and no telling what will happen by the "end of the day".

Trumpism - a new social penicillin?

 

The whole discussion is fascinating. But is the great tribal divide -
Capitalism vs Marxism/Communism/Socialism/egalitarianism, which seems to be the great divide on this board, with the US contributors belonging to the Capitalist tribe, & the non-US belonging to the Socialist tribe.

Having been born before WW2, I grew up experiencing all the benefits of of Socialism being put into effect in the 40s, 50, & 60s. Benefits paid for by a benevolent capitalism! The company I joined in 1962 was making so much money that that gave it away - £500 interest free loan - to a number of us for house purchase when I was earning £600 p/a. And they increased my salary. They had my "tribal" loyalty.

I can see the value of social care paid for out of the earnings of those in work - and I'm enjoying the pension I paid for.

But I can also see a very different attitude by the capitalists - maximising profit & taking the money earned by their low paid employees out of the economy. That attitude destroys any tribal loyalty there might have been.

 

the theology of the sin nature of man cannot be reduced to "tribalism".

Unless of course it is between Christ (The lion of the Tribe of Judah) and antichrist.

This conflict has gone on since the beginning and apparently will soon reach its climax.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

All of our conflicts can only be solved by a new and sanctified heart.

Admittedly there are loyalties of a lesser degree than agape love - commonly called phileo love.

 

I do understand Dragon's thesis.

In opposition to others we should be as a physician. the issue we see in others should be approached unto as a doctor, pharmacist and healer not judge, jury and hangman.

Wherever we are fortunate enough to accomplish it.

A temporary solution until the lord returns.

 

Understood - there can also be a role reversal between physician and judge.

For some it's not that difficult to discern between wisdom and emotion and the mixture thereof.

However sometimes graciousness is not what's needed.
We do need to protect ourselves and our loved ones as well as "others".

 

Let's take it all the way and love our enemies as jesus commanded us to do? Are you up to that?

 

Not always.

 

"Loving our enemies" encompasses more than just being all lovey-dovey. It means praying that they receive what they need to grow into better persons...and that may mean adversity, discipline, or justice. In WWII, for example, the Germans and Japanese needed to get their butts kicked. It was the very best thing which could have happened to them.

Looking around, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some more butt-kicking which needs to be done...

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When we don't/won't respond to grace the Law steps in.

 

Very true. And one of the big problems today is that many reject their need for grace, and yet at the same time consider themselves, for practical purposes, above the law (How many bankers went to jail in the wake of the 2007 financial crisis? How many hospital administrators and insurance executives have been prosecuted for price-fixing?). What they need is to have their feet held to the fire . . . hopefully, in this world under the authority of human law. They won't be pleased by the verdict in the next.

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And that is what the United States did during and immediately following WWII. Marshall plan, Berlin airlift, anyone? When food and supplies was what they needed, we responded. But, first, they needed to have their butts kicked.

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The New Testament is written for individuals, and it shows how we as individuals should treat one another in our daily lives. The Old Testament was given to Israel as a nation, and the principles there are still valid for dealings by and among nations.

If someone offends or insults me, personally, it is my responsibility as a Christian to be forgiving. But if someone else is hurt, and I am called to be on the jury, it is my responsibility to execute justice... even vindictive justice.


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Now why are you calling president trump names?