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The Book of Enoch

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  1. rockytopva

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    And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.... - Jude 1:14

    At least some of the Book of Enoch is legitimate because Jude quoted out of the book.

    1. The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.
    2. And he took up his parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come.
    3. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them: The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,
    4. And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai, And appear from His camp And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.
    5. And all shall be smitten with fear And the Watchers shall quake, And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.
    6. And the high mountains shall be shaken, And the high hills shall be made low, And shall melt like wax before the flame
    7. And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder, And all that is upon the earth shall perish, And there shall be a judgement upon all men.
    8. But with the righteous He will make peace And will protect the elect, And mercy shall be upon them. And they shall all belong to God, And they shall be prospered, And they shall all be blessed. And He will help them all,And light shall appear unto them,And He will make peace with them.
    9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh. Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. - The Book of Enoch Chapter 1

    How much of the Book of Enoch is believable?
     
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    This is an amazing entry to what is even more amazing when you continuing reading.
    This first chapter is what will take place in Rev.6 . There is an event coming that is a miracle before Christ second coming. It is a terrifying apparition=appearance and great earthquake.
    Rev.6:12-17
    12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and there came a great earthquake; the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree drops its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll rolling itself up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the magnates and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the one seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

    This is the attainment in the Book of Daniel:
    Michael's Deliverance and the End Times 12:1-13 also this correlates with the Revelation 12 sign, (The Woman)


    1At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress such as never has occurred from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.

    3Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens,a and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.

    4But you, Daniel, shut up these words and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will roam to and fro, and knowledge will increase.”

    5Then I, Daniel, looked and saw two others standing there, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6One of them said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long until the fulfillment of these wonders?”

    7And the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by Him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been shattered, all these things will be completed.”

    8I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will be the outcome of these things?”

    9“Go on your way, Daniel,” he replied, “for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand.

    11And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12Blessed is he who waits and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

    13But as for you, go on your way until the end. You will rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”
     
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    Actually, the Book of Enoch isn't that old, proof being that it refers to a 365-day-long year. It's well-known that in ancient times, the year was only 360 days long. And no, this was NOT a missed count by ancient "astronomers". Had that been the case, the farmers' planting season would be off a whole month in only 5 years! (Farmers counted the days & observed the rising & setting of the sun as much as anyone then living.)
     
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    Notice the wording ten thousands....

    9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh. Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. - The Book of Enoch Chapter 1

    And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.... - Jude 1:14

    And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. - Deuteronomy 33:1-2

    I am wondering if this did not come from the following line...

    Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchizedek. - Hebrews 5:10

    Chazalic literature—specifically Targum Jonathan, Targum Yerushalmi, and the Babylonian Talmud—presents the name Melchizedek as a nickname title for Shem, the son of Noah. It could be that Shem brought the book of Enoch with him and taught out of it after the flood. If this is the case Moses's Father in Law, Jethro, may have had a copy of the book of Enoch with him because Moses nearly quotes him in Deuteronomy 33.

    The order of Melchizedek may have come down through the line of Enoch himself and was preserved. Characteristics of this order are foremost righteousness. In which, Christ Jesus, being after this order, taught in all things righteousness.
     
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    Hmm, you think? When was the great flood? Who was Noah's great + grandfather?
    Information from the Ark Encounter:
    Noah’s Family
    Noah’s family tree had some big names: Adam (yes, from the Garden of Eden), Enoch (the one that didn’t die), and Methuselah (the oldest man ever recorded), to name a few! And did you know there were only nine generations before him?

    So actually the books are probably older than I first stated. I am only quoting what most theologians say. That also depends on who you ask. But in any case- they were written pre-flood. That means Noah was the one who preserved his writings that they would be passed on. I will look into what you say. I do know the earth was tipped off its axis during the flood and the days were shortened. I believe this has happened a few times in earths history- a change in length of days. I am sure it will happen again. This is not my field of study, perhaps it is something I should undertake.
     
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    Melchizedek is without beginning or end of days,wthout lineage ,without mother or father. Shem- we know his lineage ,we know his beginning and his end, and we know his mother and father. And the Talmud is false, it is referred to as "those deep things of satan by Christ in the Rev., letter to the church of Thyatira. I have something to share with you concerning Melchizedek ,I'll post it here since you brought HIM up. You may or may not accept it.
     
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    CONCERNING MELCHIZEDEK:
    This I wrote before the Rev.12 sign came into its fullness in Sept.2017.
    Jupiter - in Hebrew is Zedek. Zedek is short for
    Melchizedek Hebrews 7. The story in the heavens unfolding September 23,2017
    is the sign prophesied in Rev.12. It can only be understood through prophecy.

    Jupiter planet (Zedek) has entered the womb of the Virgin,The king planet represents Christ. His birth is being glorified in the heav-
    ens. We know, salvation comes by no other than Yeshua (Jesus). However, we must realize fully who

    Yeshua is. HE IS THE WORD OF GOD. And before He is the Savior He is this. When the Father spoke, and
    when the Father speaks, it is the Word who performs. When there is dialogue between God and man - it is the
    Word that is heard.
    When in the old testament there is visitation from God to man it is the Word, as was experienced by Abraham.
    I propose Yeshua and Melchizedek are the same.

    Before you gasp, let me explain.
    Yeshua and Melchizedek are one and the same, for, before Yeshua is the Christ He is the Word. In the begin-
    ning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Lord and High Priest has had
    special encounters with people at certain times. Obviously more than once with Abraham. He came to Abra-
    ham's camp and ate. He told him Sarah would have a child. He brought some friends with Him, angels

    who accompany the Lord to Sodom and Gomorrah. They had a message for Lot and his family- to flee. And an
    even more terrible message to send the inhabitants of the cities of sodomites.

    The Lord visited Adam and Eve in the Garden. (Remember: he who sees the Son, sees the Father for no one has
    seen the Father except the Son.) So all the ancients saw Yeshua before He was the Christ.

    In Hebrews 6:19-20- you will notice that after Christ's resurrection, "He is High Priest after the order of
    Melchizedek. Moffat translation " That is equal status with Melchizedek. In the old testament Melchizedek, was
    Priest of the Most High, Christ is Priest of the Most High.
    In Genesis 14 Abraham is finished battling with neighboring cities and rescuing Lot and his family,
    Melchizedek minsters to him and brings out bread and wine. Melchizedek King of Salem, ( which was the name
    of ancient Jerusalem) was known as priest of the Most High. He blessed and said " Blessed be Abraham by God Most High,
    Maker of heaven and earth; and Blessed be the God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hands!

    And Abraham gave Him a tenth of everything of his spoils of battle, a tithe, Genesis 14:18-20.
    Melchizedek the King of Salem, (Jerusalem) and Salem means "Peace" in Hebrew; that would make
    Melchizedek the "King of Peace", (Hebrews 7:2), the name Melchizedek means: "King of Righteousness"
    (Hebrews7:2).

    He is also mentioned in the Psalms 110:4, Of Christ David states: " The Eternal hath sworn, and will not repent,
    Thou art a Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. And this is quoted in Hebrews 5:6,10.



    Before the days of Moses, Canaan was known among the Gentiles as "The Divine Land" the "Holy Land" the
    land of the place of worship! Why? Who was there? Hebrews7:1-2 makes things clear, " For this Melchizedek,



    King of Salem, Priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and
    blessed him; to whom Abraham gave a tenth part of all; so Abraham gave a tenth he had to the King of Righ-
    teousness, King of Salem, which is King of Peace.

    God names people what they are, than this man was" King Of Righteousness". Righteousness is obedience to
    God. Only God is good (Matthew19:17). Melchizedek has no earthly mother or father. Nor does the Word. The
    Word spoke all things into being. Melchizedek is Yeshua's example of what was to come and shows He is with Israel. He
    speaks to Israel that he has always been with them. St Paul is conveying this to the Hebrews then and now.

    The Hebrews understood then and will now. This is why it is called Hebrews. Today The new church Rachel
    understands this and shares it with Jacob (Israel) and shines light on the old (Leah).
    The Bride will become one. The fullness of Jew and Gentile is at hand.

    Yeshua, the Ancient of ancients: Book Of Enoch, loves to surprise His Bride! SURPRISE! There is only one
    High Priest Melchizedek is Yeshua before he became the Christ. St Paul knew exactly what he was writing.
    Melchizedek had no end of life, nor does Yeshua, He gave His life freely, no one took it from Him. And only he has the
    power to take it up again! And he DID! IT IS COMPLETION! The Lord is amazing. This life and story, MIND
    BLOWING!
    Before I end, lets look once more at the qualities Melchizedek possess . Hebrews 7:1-3 "This Melchizedek was
    King of Salem and Priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and
    blessed him and Abraham gave Him a tenth of everything. First His name means "King Of Righteousness"; then also
    "King Of Salem" meaning "King Of Peace". Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of
    days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever. This is no forerunner , this is the Lord. And it can be
    no angel, because an angel can not be called that. For they are fellow servants of the Lord, an angel is not a
    High priest. That would be angel worship.

    The attributes of Melchizedek are those of the Most High Priest YESHUA. Key phrase: Christ is the Most High
    Priest of the order of Melchizedek, ( OF HIS OWN ORDER). For the Word spoke everything into being. ALL
    IS OF HIS OWN ORDER! This story playing out in the heavens is understood through scripture and prophecy:
    Melchizedek entered the womb of the Virgin Miriam(Mary) of His own order. Christ was conceived by the
    HOLY SPIRIT- from no genealogy .He was conceived not like us- through mother and father.
     
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