Should a Christian partake of beverage alochol?

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
Proverbs 31:4 [It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [it is] not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:

Jesus was the King of kings and also the Prince of Peace. And as such, He would not have drank fermented drink.

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Was Jesus a King? Is Jesus King? Did His people accept their King? Christ Jesus today is not our King. God the Father is our savior, and Jesus Christ is our Lord. Christ is exiled to heaven, and all things are being put under His feet. We really should believe what His Word tells us.

Luke 7:33-34, ”For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. 34. The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!”

Doesn’t God give good things to His people? Why do you not believe Deuteronomy 7:13, ”And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee?”

He gave us wine to make the heart glad. ”And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.” We don’t have to accept what God gives us, but there are certain things He wishes us to have. Some refuse His gifts. Christian faith, ituttut

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
Two verses in Revelations plainly state that we are kings and priests unto the Lord. 1 Peter 2:9 states we are a royal priesthood. I would say as royalty, as kings and priests, the order for kings and priests not to partake of fermented drink applies to the child of God.

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Revelation is written to Israel and we today are not kings and priests, and were never intended to be. That is for HIS OWN PEOPLE, The Nation Israel. I look for the rapture, and not the kingdom. We will be in heaven when the events of tribulation take place. Only Israel can be kings and priests, and today God does not recognize any as such. Christian faith, ituttut

For one to say Jesus is not King is contrary to the Word of God.

1 Timothy 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

'Is' is a present tense word. Just because Christ was not accepted as King does not make Him any less King.

And Christ was not exiled to heaven, He ascended to heaven on His own after His resurrection.

Originally posted by Linda64:
Abstain from all appearance of evil. (1 Thessalonians 5:22)

Is it the wine that is evil, that God says He will bless Israel with, or is it the person?

It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. (Romans 14:21)

We are not to put a stumblingblock before anyone. Why take the risk of causing someone to stumble--that first drink just might make him a drunkard.

Think seriously about how your behavior witnesses to the lost. You may be the only Bible someone ever reads.

*I use the word "drunkard" instead of alcoholic. The word alcoholic is not found in the Bible, but drunkard is.

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Paul isn't telling us not to eat flesh, or drink wine. He is saying don’t flaunt it and make a show in front of a “babe”. Perhaps the “babe” will grow, and how do they grow? We are to teach the Word of God, and not the almighty word of man.

When you look at this verse isn’t it obvious that Paul is saying to the Christian, I drink wine, but I will not flaunt it in front of them. If we meet these strange Christians that judge we in Christ, I would say we should accept them, but that doesn't mean we must invite them to our home, or eat out with them. In their belief they unfairly judge, for they stumble. These are not mature Christians for they despise (hate), and have no love or regard for other Christians. We are not to despise one another. We are to show love, and not despise.

I believe we can see this in the chapter of Romans you have chosen. Romans 14:1-4, ” Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.”

I have a grand daughter that will only eat turkey, and no other meat. I don’t despise her, and she doesn’t despise me. We don’t understand each other in this regard, but we certainly do not condemn one another. I am here not condemning anyone that doesn’t drink wine, or strong drink, or beer. I am only endeavoring to put forth truth as the Holy Spirit tells us. Christian faith, ituttut

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
For one to say Jesus is not King is contrary to the Word of God.

1 Timothy 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

'Is' is a present tense word. Just because Christ was not accepted as King does not make Him any less King.

And Christ was not exiled to heaven, He ascended to heaven on His own after His resurrection.

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But I never said Jesus is not King. Please notice my wording – “Was Jesus a King? Is Jesus King? Did His people accept their King? Christ Jesus today is not our King.” I asked was Jesus a King? Is Jesus King, and did His people accept their King? I didn’t answer these questions. What I said is Christ Jesus today is not our King. He is our Lord Jesus Christ.

And I agree Jesus Christ ascended to heaven (after He was rejected), crucified, put in the earth for three full nights and three full days, arising from the dead ascending to heaven, returning to earth then returning again to heaven in exile. We ambassadors of Christ in exile preach and teach the dispensational gospel of God given to Paul of reconciliation. In his patience of love and the filling of His Body we await our Lord, the King of kings, and Lord of lords”. We are eagerly looking to be with our Lord who will catch us up to be with Him forever, as we await with Him the coming of the kingdom when He will be King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. Christian faith, ituttut

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
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But Christian friend, are we to live in constant fear. The "babe" must learn to walk on their own, taking falls if necessary. A drunk will be a drunk if that is what they will be. A homosexual will be a homosexual if that is what they will be.

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A drunk will be a drunk? A homosexual will be a homosexual? God's Word says He is not willing that any should perish. We cannot have that type of attitude that they are meant to be drunks or homosexuals. </font>[/QUOTE]Are you then saying the drunks that will continue to be drunk and the homosexuals that will continue to be homosexual will be saved? God forbid such talk for scripture is very clear in this regard. Christian faith, ituttut

Linda64,

You said, 'So are we to be "moderate" taking poison?'

'My cardiologist told me that one glass of red wine is good for my heart. Do you view her Dr. Deborah W. Sundlof, Lehigh Valley Cardiology, Bethlehem--610-866-2233, as a witch doctor?

I Timothy 5:23 says,

'Drink no longer water, but use A LITTLE wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.'

There's your sign--moderation.

Berrian, Th.D.

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I have a friend who went to a doctor because of some stomach probelems and his doctor prescribed wine. He was a youth pastor at the time.

Here's an idea - if a person thinks that drinking an alcoholic beverage is wrong, then don't drink it - just be sure that you don't gargle with Listerine unless you plan to spend some time rinsing your mouth with water for several minutes.

'My cardiologist told me that one glass of red wine is good for my heart. Do you view her Dr. Deborah W. Sundlof, Lehigh Valley Cardiology, Bethlehem--610-866-2233, as a witch doctor?'

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Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

God's Word says 'do not have experience with fermented drink. Do you value Dr. Deborah W. Sundlof's word more than God's?

[ December 26, 2005, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: standingfirminChrist ]

"And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my
body.
And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom."

Was this fruit of the vine wine or not? And why does Jesus suggest that it will be drunk by both Him and the saints in the Kingdom?

Drinking an alcoholic beverage seems to be a societal thing rather than a right or wrong. The German Baptists often drank beer at church dinners and other events. When I was in England, I drank a glass of brandy every evening. No one there thought anything of it.

When I came to Canada, all alcoholic consumption was frowned upon, so I quit drinking brandy at night, as a form of witness and not because it was wrong or unbiblical.

If I was seen in a cafe drinking a beer, those around me would not saying "He only has one beer." They would say, "He drinks beer." I guess that is where the witness aspect comes in.

Cheers,

Jim

Thread closed at the request of standingfirminChrist, the initiator of this poll.