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In the Name of Jesus and/or the Father Son Holy Spirit?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Tazman, Dec 31, 2005.

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  1. Tazman

    Tazman New Member

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    I'm asking a question here:

    Matthew 28, baptize in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit

    Acts 2: Baptize in the name of Jesus...


    Is there a difference btwn the two or are they one in the same?

    Will God honor one and not the other?

    In Christ

    Stefon
     
    #1 Tazman, Dec 31, 2005
  2. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    In the "name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" is the one I always see and my guess is that Peter is just speaking in summary form in Acts 2 -- not actually baptizing them as he speaks.
     
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  3. zealouswest

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    "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" is the proper trinitarian formula.

    There were multiple pagan cults that had a baptism as a form of initiation. To clarifiy which baptism, it was specified as the Baptism of Christ.

    But the baptism of Christ, as He Himself commanded it, is "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

    Bob is right, Acts 2 is speaking of the act in shorthand, not giving the formula as Christ did in Matthew.
     
    #3 zealouswest, Dec 31, 2005
  4. Rev. Lowery

    Rev. Lowery New Member

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    IMHO

    When you say Jesus Christ you are refering to God in the Flesh but if you say The Son of God you refer to the Son as in the Holy Trinity There are the same but yet seperate.


    Rev. Jerry D. Lowery D.D.
     
    #4 Rev. Lowery, Dec 31, 2005
  5. Brother Ian

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    I say Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, but I think it means the same thing to say in the Name of Jesus.
     
    #5 Brother Ian, Dec 31, 2005
  6. Rev. Lowery

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    Note in my above statement my poor grammer


    When you say, "Jesus Christ" you are refering to God in the Flesh. If you say,"The Son of God" you refer to the Son. As in the Holy Trinity they're the same but yet seperate.

    Rev. Jerry D. Lowery D.D.
     
    #6 Rev. Lowery, Dec 31, 2005
  7. Born Again Catholic

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    I will go with what Jesus said Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    Whichever you use the most startling thing is how many people believe that they are to use the name of God to do something they believe accomplishes nothing

    For example imagine one of these pastors saying what he teaches

    "IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST I am doing nothing more than getting you wet but thank you for coming to this public profession of faith"
     
    #7 Born Again Catholic, Dec 31, 2005
  8. Jim1999

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    Regarding Acts 2:38, remember the audience..they were familiar with the baptism of John the Baptist, but these people had rejected Jesus as the Messiah. Now Peter is telling them what they must do,,repent,,,,and be baptized in the name of Jesus....now recognize Jesus as the Messiah,,,,,,and then the Holy Spirit will come upon you......Exactly what happens in repentance, conversion,,and then the public profession of water baptism.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #8 Jim1999, Dec 31, 2005
  9. Tazman

    Tazman New Member

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    Thank you all for your insights.

    It would seem that no matter what group we are apart of that the consensus is generally the same. Father Son Holy Spirit.

    Now another question along the same line. Some of you broke it down by title vs name. and others proposed some historical settings to give reason for Peters statement. Thus justifying Peters Action to fall in line with Christ commands.

    Does both line of reasoning work together?
     
    #9 Tazman, Jan 1, 2006
  10. Jim1999

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    Tazman, I personally believe that when the time came to water-baptize those who believe on Jesus were baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, the only consistant biblical formula.

    This is a perfect example of where we do not formulate doctrine based on one verse of scripture, but on scripture as a whole.

    The confusion for some comes where we speak of being baptized in the blood of Christ in the act of redemption..not water baptism....being baptized in the Spirit, the act of conversion.

    Baptism for me, remains only an outward confession of an inward grace, and is in no way efficacious in the act of redemption.

    Cheers,

    Jim

    PS. We must always understand scripture in its local setting and circumstance, and not in isolation. Scripture interprets scripture.
     
    #10 Jim1999, Jan 1, 2006
  11. PrimePower7

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    Just a quick word about the formula: IF you look throughout the book of acts, you will actually find about 3 or 4 formula's. So "around we go again" on which formula we should use.

    Take care
     
    #11 PrimePower7, Jan 1, 2006
  12. tamborine lady

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    How about using both and be done with the argument?

    "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, in the name of Jesus".

    Dunk 'em and hand them a towel!!

    :D

    Peace,

    Tam
     
    #12 tamborine lady, Jan 1, 2006
  13. Tazman

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    I'm sure we can go back and forth on this one, but all I want to know is the relationship between the two doctrines.

    I personally believe them both to be the same, but some decide to rephrase what Jesus said to fit what Peter said.

    After reading over what most of you said, a thought came to me. Did not Peter Preach on the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost?

    Rather in the same order it was given in Matthew 28? :confused:
     
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  14. Tazman

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    This is a side note, but a friend of mine offered a very interesting thought. "Ghost" - Isn't a ghost the spirit departed from a human host?
     
    #14 Tazman, Jan 1, 2006
  15. tamborine lady

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    [​IMG]

    Like maybe the Ghost of Jesus!!
     
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  16. standingfirminChrist

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    I baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

    I have a wonderful pastor friend in Virginia who baptiszes in the name of Jesus.

    His reason? He says when you are baptized in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, you are baptized into that one name that is above all names, Jesus Christ. He points out that it does not say names of the Father and Son and Holy Ghost, and in a way He has a good argument.

    I would say neither is wrong as long as we are not promoting a 'Jesus Only' religion where Father and Holy Ghost are left out altogether.
     
    #16 standingfirminChrist, Jan 1, 2006
  17. Tazman

    Tazman New Member

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    Well, I guess that's a thought, except the Holy Spirit has be Active even before Jesus' death. Jesus harshly warned the Pharasee not to curse the acts of the holy spirt before the cross
     
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  18. Tazman

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    That's interesting.
    In the name of Jehovah (or the Great I Am), Jesus, Holy Spirt. Would this be acceptable verses titles?

    I honestly don't see what the controversy is. Is the father son holy spirit as jesus commanded really that ineffective?
     
    #18 Tazman, Jan 1, 2006
  19. standingfirminChrist

    standingfirminChrist New Member

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    We have to look at another verse here. 1 John 5:7

    There are three that bear record in heaven...

    Now I know that many of the modern verses stop right there, but the KJV continues

    the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.

    So, are we baptized into that one name even if we are baptized either way? I would hope so.
     
    #19 standingfirminChrist, Jan 1, 2006
  20. Tazman

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    I agree, good point. So why draw a line where there is none? :confused:
     
    #20 Tazman, Jan 1, 2006
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