Speaking in Tongues Volume 4...

The Biblical gift of tongues is never of the Lord in this day and age. It ceased in the first century. Those who claim to have it are deceived and are deceiving themselves.

Are you purposely drawing a false dichotomy between the ability to speak in a tongue (one's own mother tongue like English) as any two-year old can do, and the gift of tongues a gift of the Holy Spirit which ceased in the first century. If you have a problem with mouthing off at your pastor then you have a serious spiritual problem that needs to be made right.

Both are evil. Sin is sin in God's sight. The consequence of the latter may be more severe since it is possible that demons may be involved.

Controlling your own tongue has nothing to do with the Biblical gift of speaking in foreign languages (speaking in tongues). You have made a false dichotomy, in which you are only deliberately clouding the issue.

And what does that have to do with the subject of tongues? Absolutely nothing! One is built up in the faith by the study of the Word, by the hearing of the Word.
"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God."

Ephesians 4:11-14 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

As the above passage shows edification is contingent upon doctrine. Without being saturated with the doctrine of God's Word you will never be edified. Tongues have nothing to do with it.
DHK

 

DHK,

You said, 'The Biblical gift of tongues is never of the Lord in this day and age. It ceased in the first century. Those who claim to have it are deceived and are deceiving themselves.'

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DHK said, 'What about Christians who use their tongue to bad mouth the pastor or tell half-truths about he or his family causing division within the church family--the family of God?

Are you purposely drawing a false dichotomy between the ability to speak in a tongue (one's own mother tongue like English) as any two-year old can do, and the gift of tongues a gift of the Holy Spirit which ceased in the first century. If you have a problem with mouthing off at your pastor then you have a serious spiritual problem that needs to be made right.

quote:Speaking evil of he brethren happens infinitely more times that a nut who fakes have this Divine gift from the Godhead.

Both are evil. Sin is sin in God's sight. The consequence of the latter may be more severe since it is possible that demons may be involved.

quote:It seems Christians should learn to control their own tongue/language first, before seeking other 'gifts of the Spirit.' Paul says, '. . . desire spiritual gifts.' [I Corinthians 14:1b].

Controlling your own tongue has nothing to do with the Biblical gift of speaking in foreign languages (speaking in tongues). You have made a false dichotomy, in which you are only deliberately clouding the issue.

quote:Atestring said,
'Edifying ones self is important.
I cannot love my neighbor as myself unless I first love myself. Would it be selfish to love myself?
Would it be wrong to be "STRONG IN THE LORD AND IN THE POWER OF HIS MIGHT?
Is it wrong to build up yourself in your most Holy Faith praying in the Holy Ghost?
A chain is no stronger than it's weakest link.
I as a link in God's kingdom have a responsiility to be edified( built up)
To not be built up would be selfish!'

And what does that have to do with the subject of tongues? Absolutely nothing! One is built up in the faith by the study of the Word, by the hearing of the Word.
"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God."

Ephesians 4:11-14 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

As the above passage shows edification is contingent upon doctrine. Without being saturated with the doctrine of God's Word you will never be edified. Tongues have nothing to do with it.'

 

please forgive me for cutting in here, but I find it funny that you two are still butting heads over this issue. It is plain neither is going to accept what the other has to say about tongues. After what? 62 pages now, and you still have not convinced each other. lol

My suggestion? Agree to disagree. Is the argument that which will edify the Body of Christ? We must concentrate on that which will draw people in these last days to Christ.

Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

DHK, forgive me Brother, if I was out of line.

Love ya both in the Lord!
Brother Ron

 

DHk,

You like to link tongues with the Islamic religion.
This faith in a non-Christian religion and is totally out of the picture.

This is like associating your family heritage with Russians, Chinese, Koreans or from a national origin on the continent of Africa. Your parents gave you your national background so these other nations have nothing to do with you background genetically.

So too, with other world religions; they have nothing to do with Jesus and our faith. I guess it is just another febble attempt to smear good people of God who are not in your limited sect/group/ or denomination.

By our 'heard nosed' approach to other Christian beliefs you lead me to believe you are in an independent sect, with very restrictive views of other Christians.

Regards,
Ray

 

James 3-5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

In light of the scripture above, it is amazing to me that some proffessing Christians can tell others that they are probably demon pessessed, and call some of the gifts of the spirit
"gibberish", and yet still profess that they are absolutely right!!

Why do some people have to be right at all costs? Why do they call others all manner of names and make demeaning remarks and still proclaim "I alone am right in this matter"

Reminds me of these men:

Luke 18-10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


What has this world come to when we sling nasty remarks at other Christians and take no thought at all about the consequences?


He who readeth let him understand!!

Selah,

Tam

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I just wanted you all to know that I am well aware that this post has nothing to do with the subject of the thread, but it DOES have a lot to do with people who are posting here.

The ones that are pompous and puffed up and always have to be right, at all costs!!

Also, that to call another Christan demonic is a very grave sin!

Working for Jesus,

Tam

 

Please understand correctly Tam, I have never called anyone on this board demonic. I have said that speaking in tongues may have a demonic source. I have said that some unsaved (even in evagelical churches) many be demon possessed. I have said that some saved may be demon oppressed when speaking in tongues. All of that is true. But I never made any of it personal. I did not refer to anyone on this board. I also said that for most it is a psychological high, and not a gift of the Spirit.
DHK

 

Speaking in tongues, as you have defined it--speaking in an ecstatic language, is common in pagan religions, false cults, religions such as Islam, Voodooism, Hinduism, Mormonism, ets. Speaking in ecstatic tongues has always been commoon among pagans. That is why Paul warned the Corinthians about their pagan past 1Cor.12:2. They were carried away in speaking in ecstatic tongues when worshiping dumb idols. Now the Charismatic movmement has brought the pagan practice of speaking in ecstatic tongues into the realm of Christianity where it never was in the first place. It is purely a pagan practice. It transcends all religions--pagan and otherwise. That is why it is so popular.

The true Biblical gift of speaking in foreign languages ceased at the end of the first century. This Biblical gift cannot be duplicated to any great extent in the world today. Why? Because the gift has ceased.
DHK

 

Please understand correctly Tam, I have never called anyone on this board demonic. I have said that speaking in tongues may have a demonic source. I have said that some unsaved (even in evagelical churches) many be demon possessed. I have said that some saved may be demon oppressed when speaking in tongues. All of that is true. But I never made any of it personal. I did not refer to anyone on this board. I also said that for most it is a psychological high, and not a gift of the Spirit.
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]Another case in which the truth must be stretched to "prove" what they are saying.

No one on here has said anything about anyone "probably" being demon possessed. (I prefer to use the word "demonized" to represent both the unsaved who are possessed and the saved who are demonically influenced.)

I specifically have said that I believe it is possible for God to grant you something, even if it's not part of his plan. Just like the children of Israel who wanted manna, even when it was God's plan that they eat manna.

There have been examples of those in churches actually speaking foreign languages, which would be the biblical definition of "tongues", and there were so-called "interpreters" praising God; but, when those tapes were played back, what the speaker was doing was cursing God.

I personally have a friend whose dad was visiting him. His dad had brought a friend, and they visited my friend's Charismatic church. This guy got up and started speaking in tongues, the "interpreter" praised God. The dad's friend said, "That's not what he's saying; he's speaking the language of my country, and he's cursing God".

Sadly, my friend's attitude was that it was too bad that one bad event caused his dad and his friend to "give up on God".

Tongues were given as a sign to the unbelieving, yet every time that it has been witnessed by linguists and/or recorded, it has been complete gibberish, or has been cursing God.

So, although I think it's possible that someone somewhere my recieve the biblical gift of tongues, I've never seen it in evidence, and neither has anyone who studies such things.

 

There is no such word as gibberish in the bible.

There is no language that God calls gibberish, so there;s no need to use it here.

Peace,

Tam

 

gib·ber·ish Audio pronunciation of "gibberish" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jbr-sh)
n.

1. Unintelligible or nonsensical talk or writing.
2.
1. Highly technical or esoteric language.
2. Unnecessarily pretentious or vague language.

[Probably from gibber, to speak unintelligibly (of imitative origin) + -ish.]

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You are quite correct: The Bible talks only about other real languages, and not the gibberish that so many espouse.

 

James 3-5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.


No matter how many ways you people try to dance thru the raindrops without getting wet, you are just showing your ignorance by trying to turn that scripture back on us!

Ya'll are the ones in error, and you are so blind you can't see it.

Working for Jesus,

Tam

 

Just a question The Bible says prophesy is a greater gift than tongues. Then there is the gift of healing and raising of the dead. The Apostles all had these gifts because of the Holy Ghost. Why then if the gifts of the Holy Spirit are among us today do we only have one gift given. You would think out of the millions of Christians around the world at least 1 person would posses at least one of the other gifts of the Holy Ghost.

 

Those are easier to verify.

 

The Lord has used me at different times in at least 7 of the gifts of the Spirit. Tongues is the least of these, but some people get hung up on the little things.

Like people straining at tongues and trying to prove that they don't exist,and they forget to ask about the other gifts that are also alive and well

Peace,

Tam

 

Gift of healing? (as per Acts 5:16)
gift of miracles?
raising the dead?
drinking deadly poison?