What Is Total Depravity?

Either there is something GOOD to save there or NOT. If you are evil then you are like murder and rape. God does not save murder and rape.

 

So, God's not powerful enough to reveal Himself to be true? Our flesh is more powerful than God?

 

Notice no comment by 1689Dave on Ezekiel 36 being a direct prophecy to the nation of Israel.

 

The FATHER does not draw. That job got passed on.

John 12

32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

ALL men.

 

And the ones who are saved out will be the ones the father give unto Him!

 

Show me Scripture. Gnostic theories don't count

 

C'mon Jon. Surely you know the Calvinist does not believe the Gospel is powerful enough to break through to unbelievers. Romans 1:16, Romans 1:21-22, 1 Cor 15:1-2, Psalm 19:1-4,etc. don't really mean what they say.

 

John 6:37, and John was not a Gnostic!

 

We do indeed the Gospel has the power to save, its just save those intended to gey saved by it being preached though!

 

First if everyone refuses to hear the gospel, ZERO are saved.


NUMBER 1. A person must CHOOSE while he is not regenerated to LISTEN to the gospel.

Only AFTER hearing the Gospel, can then God regenerate, ignite and grant the GNOSTIC powers of Enlightenment. And then the GNOSTICS can understand the Gospel

 

God regenerates His own in order that they hear and respond to the Gospel!

 

Divine spark ay? Sounds gnostic.

 

No, just thta all of us ale dead in our sin natures to spiritual truths, so God must enable us to hear and respond to Jesus Christ first!

 

So, God is not able to reveal Himself to us? If God can make rocks cry out in Praise, I'm pretty Confident He can reveal Himself To us.

 

As the Gnostics say all are inherently evil.

Its only after the mystical experience in which God has enlightened and regenerated you that you have the secret Gnostic understanding of the Gospel.

 

He’s not avering what you’re accusing him of. The very moment someone has faith, they are regenerated and are made righteous.

 

No. Divine quickening.

 

Do you have a new spirit and heart in you now?

 

He’s not avering what you’re accusing him of.

 

He can, as he reveals Himself as the almighty Creator to all, but He reveals Himself as the saving God of grace to His own!