Featured What is Total Depravity, part deux?

Friend, i do not want to be a bad witness for my Lord Jesus on the internet super highway, so i will have to say, this discussion for me is over. We see things differently. God gave you the ability to believe, Praise God. Me too! He is worthy of all our praise. That is the bottom line.

 

Romans 10:9
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I'm not talking about intellectual assent.

 

Your definition was: believe means to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior. What does "believe" mean?

Or, What does "Faith" mean since you used Faith/believe synonymously

Ah, here you said...

Have a good day, my friend.

 

Ok, now I'm even more confused in the context of your questions, but I'll live with it.

"perfectly holy" is not in the bible. I checked lots of translations. It is in the Aramaic Bible in Plain English, but it disagrees with your definition. There are many definitions of holy by people who call themselves Christian. The OP was about the importance of definitions, so I wanted to make sure that I was answering your original three questions in the right way.

But yes, you did not call them heresies and I apologize for the confusion. That was my mistake.

1. What is your definition of holy?
2. And how is perfectly holy different from holy?

Hopefully, you don't consider these two questions to be trolling. You must be talking about some other questions. I'm not sure what they are. I don't think it matters.

I'm pretty sure these insults are for me. I apologize for not having the depth of wisdom, intelligence, and knowledge with which God has blessed you.

Marty

 

Yeah sure. A non-Christian sinner goes robs banks every day, beats their wive and kids, commit homicides and enjoys kicking his dog. I just finished talking to a Calvinist on another place and he told me total depravity doesn't mean you're a bad as you could be but here you claim sinners are rotten to the core.

Non-Calvinists believe the unsaved are dead in sin. Get over it!

Free will is not an island of righteousness. If it was the choices one made from it would never be evil . It's not righteous or unrighteous. It's merely free will.

God wants and insists upon a genuine love relationship with those who are saved. He wants to know do people genuinely want to love him if so they must exercise free will choice.

Non-Calvinists believe before Christ they were spiritually dead which means their spirits were out of fellowship with God. Your mockery in claiming we don't believe in spiritual death is merely your own short sighted opinion. Please consider that to be the case.

 

I'd kindly suggest you failed to bolden the most important part.


For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.[Romans 1:20-23]

In other words because God had shown and revealed what he has done through creation that alone should have rightly moved them to seek God and call upon him. If there was absolutely no way they could do this then how is it you can claim they wouldn't have an excuse?

We're talking about God putting things forth and expecting and holding accountable to ones to respond to that very thing. If God created a painting and told people they need to tell what they see if they were totally blind and not able to perceive according to your books they're without excuse? They should be able to perceive?

For the very reason God said they were without excuse has to mean they could have responded in a positive way to God at least in seeking him or calling upon him. You would have it though that they're locked in they can't move or choose anything different! So why would God say they're without excuse? The fact is you and other Calvinists would NEVER EVER do this if it were any other subject but when you get into religion you allow your minds to twist in ways which are why defy reasonable thought.

 

This entire post is a strawman

 

Yes it is.

Quite creative metaphors though. I did like the part about partial depravity adherents with infected toes stumbling about their Eden-like deserted islands until they decide to save themselves.

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Well maybe that's just it. Calvinists are good at writing fiction. Non-Calvinists maybe not so much.

 

The sinner cannot regenerate Himself though in order to be able to believe, correct?