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I have no idea what you just said, Alan.

Would you mind typing it again, please?

 

There are some simple truths that regardless of one's theology on it does not change it. For example: ". . . And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. . . ." -- Revelation 20:15. Ultimately those whose names are not found in the book of life perish. Why are names in the book? There is also this promise of not in any way to have one's name blotted out, ". . . He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . ." -- Revelation 3:5.
The implication being one's name can be blotted out. Those who do not believe God keeps those He saves saved, argue, see one can loose pne's salvation. Children who are not of age to believe in Christ. Yet they are safe in Christ, ". . . Allow the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. . . ." -- Mark 10:14. The implication is their names are in the book. But when they grow up? They need to overcome. Jesus warned, ". . . Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. . . ." -- Mark 10:15; John 3:3-4.

 

You can understand it that way if you want. It is my understanding that Christ's death for the unsaved lost secures their greater damnation (2 Thessalonians 1:8).

 

That's precisely what I have a problem with, when some bring up that passage...
It's implication, not declaration.

I'll post the passage again, and show you what I believe, and why:

" Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." ( Revelation 3:4-6 )

Firstly, I notice that there were only a few in Sardis who would walk in white with Him.
Were these able to walk in white based upon their best efforts, or were they clothed in white, despite their best efforts?
I'll clarify.

What "saves"...God, or man and God together?
If God saves, then He provides everything that men see as "necessary" or "conditional", to His children, and then credits them with having them...even though He gave them to them.
Yes, they will endure, because that is who God made them to be.

If God and man cooperate, then God provides, and it is up to men to "cross the finish line" using what God gave them.

I see Scripture stating the first, not the second.


Secondly, I see that those who "overcome" shall be clothed in white raiment.
Again, are the overcomers ones who overcome based on their efforts, or God's efforts through them?

I believe the former:

" For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." ( Romans 8:13 )

I see that the power of the Holy Spirit is necessary, if we are to overcome.


Further down in the chapter I see this:

" Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us." ( Romans 8:35-37 )

Believers are conquerors, and more...through Christ.

" [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. " ( Galatians 5:16-17 )

What is it to "overcome"?

" Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" ( 1 John 5:1-5 )

There it is.
To overcome means to have the true faith of Christ...
Believers overcome uncertainty, perils, trials, etc by their reliance on their Father and His Son's work on the cross for them.

My point?

I'm still working out whose names are in the Book of Life, and if they can be blotted out.
To me, there's not enough information, and I've more of God's word to dwell on than in speculating what it takes to have one's name blotted out.
If God wanted me to know anything past that, He would tell me in His word.

But I will tell you this...
According to Scripture, if a person's faith in Christ endures to the end, they are saved.
Christ's sheep cannot be lost.
Eternal life is a gift ( Romans 6:23 ), and God's gifts are without repentance ( God changing His mind, Romans 11:29 ).

If I'm wheat, then I will be gathered into Christ's barn...if I'm one of His sheep, then I will follow His voice ( and have followed, since I was 12 ).
If I'm a tare, I will fall away in trials and temptations.

I fix my eyes on Christ, and Him alone... and my hope is in Him.
What more can a man ask for, then to have hope in God his Saviour?



He is worth more than money to me...more than life itself.


May God bless you.

 

Two things to note. Who it is who overcomes? ". . . For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith. . . ." -- 1 John 5:4. God's grace, is not caused by our faith. And it is by God's grace we are born from God.through faith.
Secondly, the promise is to the one born from God, the overcomer, does not in any way have his name blotted out. The names being in the book before hand. It is my understanding that little children who die not being of an age to be able to believe, have their names in the book too (Mark 10:14).

 

? Matt 15:24 ?

 

Lost sheep!... We are poor little lambs that have lost our way... Baa, baa, baa... We are little back sheep who have gone astray... Baa, baa, baa... Brother Glen

 

John 10:16

 

I meant, that I believe the latter...that God through them overcomes the world, the flesh and the Devil.

 

They will be existing forever in a physical body that will not allow them to die!

 

Hell is still Hell, so how can there be greater damnation?

 

Yeah!... Where did someone come up with a cockamamie idea like that?... Elephino?... Brother Glen

 

Right.
Why am I questioning that again?

Long day.
Been working overtime at the plant for awhile...so, my tired mind is forgetting:

" And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." ( Revelation 20:11-15 )


" And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." ( Isaiah 66:23-24 )

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt." ( Daniel 12:1-2 )



" Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." ( John 5:28-29 )

Everyone's body gets resurrected.
Believers get new ones, unbelievers get their old ones.

 

Both bodies last forever....

 

Jesus who paid their sins becomes their Judge by reason He had paid for their sins. John 15:6. Revelation 3:5. Revelation 20:15. Revelation 21:7-8. John 5:22.

 

John Owen in his "To The Reader" in his book, "Death of Death in the Death of Christ" in a question against the idea of a general redemption.

 

If He paid for their sins, then He isn't their Judge.
He is their Saviour.

They will be on His right hand, as His sheep ( Matthew 25:33-34 ), not on His left, as the goats ( Matthew 25:41 ).
Those sins were washed away at the cross ( Romans 3:24, Ephesians 1:7, Colossians 1:13-14, Colossians 2:13-14 ) .
Christ was made a curse for those who would believe ( Galatians 3:13 ), not for those who never would.

How can Jesus Christ have someone cast into Hell, for sins that are paid for in God's eyes?

If they are paid for, then the person whose sins are paid for, has been redeemed from God's wrath ( Romans 5:9 ) and the power of darkness ...they become part of the purchased possession ( Ephesians 1:14 ), because His blood bought them.
Payment has been made...sins are forgiven.
The transaction occurred at the cross, not when a person believed on Him.

Did they somehow buy back their sins?
Is there something as precious in the sight of God, as the blood of His Son ( 1 Peter 1:18-19 )?
Not that I am aware of.
Therefore, there is no way that a man or woman can possibly reverse the process, because it would require giving back His blood that was shed.


There is no such thing in Scripture as a potential atonement...there is only a definite one, and a definite group of recipients.
Yes, it can be built up on a few, select verses, like 1 John 2:2 and Hebrews 2:9, but they are not the only things the Lord has said regarding Christ's death and atonement...there's much more to it, good sir.

" And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" ( Colossians 2:13-14 )

What Christ did on the cross accomplished a definite set of things...and it included the forgiveness of all sins.
What was accomplished, if it applies to every man woman and child, causes God to cast forgiven sinners into eternal fire.

If true, that's not forgiveness ( Hebrews 8:12, Isaiah 43:25 Psalms 103:12, Jeremiah 31:34 ), that's God changing His mind, which makes Him a liar...and He is not a liar ( Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, Hebrews 6:18 ).



Lastly,
Jesus becomes our Judge by reason that God the Father has committed all judgment to Him ( John 5:22 ), so that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow, and every tongue should confess that Jesus is Lord...to the glory of God the Father, who has made Him such ( Philippians 2:5-11 ).

John Owen, a prominent Puritan, also wrote "Justitia Divian", basically stating that God cannot forgive sin without an atonement...which God's word itself states ( Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22, 1 Peter 1:18-20 ).
My question is, why the need for a book about the atonement?
God's word contains all that we, as believers, need to figure it out.

Please see my above.

With regard to the first quote, there is no greater damnation than everlasting punishment in the Lake of Fire, my friend.
Everlasting punishment includes being cast out, being alone, being in pain, and being in torments of all kinds.
That is as bad as it gets for us sinners.

There is no greater damnation than to suffer with the likes of Satan and his angels.

 

Thanks for the recommendation I will check it out later, when I have the time... Saved it in PDF Format... Brother Glen

 

". . . Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, . . ." -- Romans 8:34.

". . . For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. . . ." -- Romans 14:9. Of both the lost and the saved.
". . . For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. . . ." -- Romans 14:11. The lost and the saved.

". . . To what purpose serves the general ransom, but to assert that Almighty God would have the precious blood of his dear Son poured out for innumerable souls whom he would not have shared in any drop thereof, and so in respect of them, to be spilt in vain, or else to be shed for them only that they might be deeper damned?" -- John Owen, To The Reader, The Death of Death in the Death of Christ.

 

" Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? [It is] God that justifieth.
34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us." ( Romans 8:33-37 )

Yes, He is.

Absolutely.

It wasn't spilt in vain.
His blood did what it was supposed to do...cleanse His sheep.
He finished His work, and atonement was made for His people.