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My son is on the path to hell

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by AndJezebelFell, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. AndJezebelFell

    AndJezebelFell New Member

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    Hello brothers and sisters. I just joined this forum, and am in need of some... advice. I should preface my situation by stating that I am a sinner and have unfortunately made many mistakes throughout the process of raising my son. It is my wife and I's fault that our son has wound up the way he is, our poor parental decisions have put us into this mess we are in. Perhaps this is our punishment for our mistakes, but my son will suffer the most from this, so I ask that you give us advice in our time of need.

    So to begin with, my wife and I have lived in California for most of our marriage, and moved to Virginia not too long ago. The difference in the churches we attended was astounding. We originally went to a Catholic church, as at the time we were practicing Catholics, and the atmosphere was very progressive, and what one might expect from a church in California. Our church community was very different, and our peers were very different then those in our current Baptist church. When we moved, we tried our local Catholic church but were not impressed by it. A couple we are friends with suggested their church, the church we currently attend, and we were very enchanted by it, and have converted to the Baptist church. Our new church is much more conservative.

    Also noteworthy is how stark the difference in the children and youth is. It was not uncommon in our old church to see a child playing a video game, eating a snack, listening to music, or other very disrespectful things to the lord, and the parents were okay with this. They also dressed terribly, they would wear things very distasteful for church, they didn't bother dressing up at all. But this is what we were used to, and we turned a blind eye to it, since it wasn't our child after all. The children here are so much more well behaved, they are respectful and attentive while in church, (and outside church even!) they are involved and active in the community, they all dress very respectably, they all seem to be very Godly children.

    My son however is nothing like them. He is 15 years old, will be 16 soon. He sins frequently and has no qualms about it. He swears, takes the Lord's name in vain, he is very disrespectful to my wife and I, he breaks our rules, he has experimented with drugs and alcohol, does poorly in school and frequently skips class, and has engaged in homosexuality, premarital sex, and masturbation. He has told us he is an atheist, does not believe in or love God. He has a very rebellious streak, and definitely looks and acts the part, and he is a huge embarrassment to us when in public. He refuses to come to church with us, and has no interest in saving his own soul.

    As I said, we would not be in this mess had we been better parents in the past. We were clearly too relaxed with him and he has been able to get away with whatever he wants with little consequence. We did not heed God's advice on parenting. But once we joined the church and moved to Virginia we have realized this is not normal for a child, and that things could be so much better. Our friends do not seem to have any advice on teenagers unfortunately. We have turned to the leaders of our church who have not really been able to provide us much assistance, they have mentioned things like counseling and various programs, but our son refuses to go to any of these.

    The only help we have received was the women in my wife's prayer circle recommended a parenting book called "To Train Up A Child" and says it's what we are looking for. We have not purchased the book yet, we are unsure if it will help or not. From what research I did it is geared towards younger children who are less rebellious, and is very corporal punishment centric, and I am unsure if such a method would work on a teenage boy or not, considering he is not a young child anymore. If anyone has any thoughts on this book or has any book reccomendations we would love to hear them.

    We really need advice on what to do with our son. He is our responsibility, and we have to do whatever we can to help him. I love my son very much despite how trying he is. I have raised him since the day he was born, have watched him grow, been with him through the good and the bad, hugged and held him when he was down, supported him when he needed it, and loved him every minute of it. It might sound hard to believe based on what he has done lately but he used to be a very very good son. And when I think of him going to hell... it hurts me so much. I cannot fathom enjoying the bliss of Heaven if my son were not by my side, and even more so if I knew he was suffering. So it is really important that we do whatever we can to save his soul. We'll do anything to help our son see the light. What do we do?
     
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    Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member

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    May I suggest that you purchase and watch this message on DVD?

    Changing the Heart of a Rebel

    The biblical truths of this message has started the process of turning around rebels in dozens of situations with which I am familiar. There are also great resources for other areas that will help as well. For example, if you, as the father, have a problem with anger, you must fix that with God's help before you can ever hope to turn your son around.

    You can find key messages dealing with anger here:
    https://www.solvefamilyproblems.org/default.asp
     
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    [1] Get help for yourself. Parental counseling and spiritual counseling.

    [2] Don't try to fix everything in one day. If what your are saying is a true story, your son didn't become what he is in one day. Focus on the relationship with him - being civil to one another, etc.

    [3] Pray like mad.

    [4] Don't read "Train Up A Child" or any other reading material by Debi and Michael Pearl. There have been children killed by their parents - literally - by these techniques. They talk a convincing talk, but it is some sick stuff. Besides, it won't help you with a 15-year-old. It's about the physical abused of infants to toddlers to the point that they cannot breathe to teach absolute submission to parents. I believe in spanking, but this book is teaching cruel physical abuse.

    [5] If you want something to read, here's a good start by credible sources.
    Teen Rebellion
     
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    PLEASE do not use any materials from the Pearls. They are abusive and very VERY unscriptural in their teaching. They would be the last ones to be able to help you.

    I also wanted to say that while you may not have been perfect parents, even "perfect" parents have children who stray. Remember Adam and Eve were placed in a most perfect environment with the most perfect Father and yet they fell away in selfish sinfulness anyway. So honestly, you are in good company.

    It is so hard when a child is straying but the worst thing you can do right now is to try to strong arm him into faith. Instead, you and your wife wear out your knees praying for him, love him, be firm in your rules at home but also listen to him and what he is saying. Counseling is good as well but it won't always make a perfect Christian child. It may take years to see any change in him and it just may be that his choice is to never follow Christ but he is still your son so love him. Parenting is SO hard, isn't it?
     
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    Thanks for your advice friends, we'll be sure to avoid that book (I recently noticed it had very bad reviews) and try the other material that was recommended, and we'll be sure to take all your advice as well. Thank you very much for your support. If you could keep us in your prayers it would be most appreciated, and we've been praying for our son as much as possible. I pray that he will someday realize the error of his ways and ask for forgiveness. Thank you all very much!
     
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    I think this is a good route to go.
     
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    We are all born on the path to Hell. The first thing you need to realize is that your son is not yours. He is God's, and God dropped him right where he thought he should be knowing your own sorry states as parents. His salvation is not in your hands. You won't save him. You can't. Jesus saves.

    My advice to you is to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, and intercede for your son, enforce the rules of your household, and let God direct your paths.
     
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    There are two things that needs to be understood. 1) Knowing God Himself. And how one knows God. (John 17:3; John 14:6; 1 John 5:9-12.) 2) The gospel of grace. That those who will perish in Hell have their names removed from the book of life. Which means one must make the choice to believe in God's Son (John 3:16; 1 John 5:4-5; Revelation 3:5; Revelation 20:15; Revelation 21:7-8; Romans 6:23).
     
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    The very first item on the list is to undergo your own change.

    When you converted, were you also redeemed by the Lord Jesus Christ, or did you merely adopt the teaching of the new church?

    Unless the core has been changed, the rot will continue.

    Second, your child is no longer a child but a young adult.

    The change in you, in your priorities, in your devotion, in your growth as a believer in which the Holy Spirit will implant water and grow the fruits of the Spirit, will stir greater animosity, yet will also be a living demonstration in which the child cannot escape that something has occurred in your own life.

    Third, establish rules and protections for your and your beloved safety. If that means certain measures are taken to restrict access to internet, entertainment, friendships, hobbies... then they are consequences to behavior.

    Lastly,

    You must not be bound by the shackle of "bad parenting." It is a weapon used to breakdown the fundamental peace of the home and it thrives on destructive behavior and guilt.

    You must be proactive in terms of the boundaries of what is and is not allowed.

    The family needs to meet and have a few unbreakable rules such as no lies, no putdowns, respect, peace, loud noise, ... such is required of all. Perhaps even a discussion of tolerance for irritating items that effect others negatively.

    Members must engage in honesty without hostility. There is no attack that can be made for joy, love, long suffering, gentleness, meekness, ... but devisions come when the lusts of the flesh and pride take more priority than love of the family members.

    You must regularly hold family meetings were concerns for self (not about others) are shared. It is not healthy to be concerned about someone else without first being honest of your own heart. Healing will not take place by pointing out the faults of others, but openly seeking the help of the family members in your own faults. Such vulnerability will allow support and love to be shown with purpose and not condemnation.

    Set aside all critical analysis and terms of condemnation. If anything the home is to be a place of safety and refuge. If a member of the family is hurting the other members do not condemn but rush to aid.

    Engage in non critical conversations. Do not offer advice without it being sought. LISTEN - discern the motivation, but DO NOT be even attempting to instruct outside of the correction needed if a family rule is violated.

    Your situation as you describe it is not unsalvageable, but if you expect change, it must first be in your own heart.
     
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    Get him to sit down with you(or maybe start an informal conversation) & explain these fact to him: that all matter is made of atoms, all atoms, energy, and rays are made of sub-atomic particles such as electrone, and all sub-atomic particles are made of quarks.Since nothing can be created outta nothing by any means we can use, the existence of quarks calls for a CREATOR, and that the existence of all the laws of physics, etc. calls for a POWER to make & sustain those rules. For instance, everything that exists has GRAVITY, and while we may overcome gravity by exerting a greater force than the gravity of a given object has, we cannot cancel it out so it doesn't exist. Now, just who else but GOD can create something from nothing, power gravity, & make "laws" of physics that are apparently the same thruout the universe ?

    Feed him those things fact upon fact, precept upon precept slowly, without trying to force them upon him. Hopefully, that could make him wanna learn more about God, & steer him toward Jesus. Forcing one's beliefs or religion down another's throat has never changed anyone's inner beliefs, so again, go slowly. Meanwhile, I pray that the HOLY SPIRIT will intervene for you.
     
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