Featured Eternal Subordination of the Son. Biblical?

I am in agreement with Grudem, as he is in agreement with Nicea, as well as with the Reformers and Puritans. The Son always is the Son. You termed it the eternal subordination of the Son. Another form of that statement is the eternal generation of the Son.

 

The Son, whom being the Word, that is, the Logos, always was, and has no cause, being He is the same uncaused Existent One with His Father. [YHWH] And they are One Holy essence, the [third] Person of the Holy Spirit is how they are One.

 

Both. The Son was both not God eternally subordinate (John 1:2) and was always fully God too (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16-17; Genesis 1:1). The incarnation was only a change how He was with God (John 1:2; John 1:14). He did not cease being fully God (John 1:9-10; Hebrews 1:3).

 

Read the scriptures references I gave.
God is the uncaused Existence.
The Word, Logos, the Son is the uncased Cause.
The Holy Spirit is the uncaused Essence.

 

Eternally coequal in every way apart from the interlude of the incarnation.

τὸν δὲ βραχύ τι παρ᾽ ἀγγέλους ἠλαττωμένον βλέπομεν Ἰησοῦν διὰ τὸ πάθημα τοῦ θανάτου δόξῃ καὶ τιμῇ ἐστεφανωμένον ὅπως χάριτι θεοῦ ὑπὲρ παντὸς γεύσηται θανάτου

RSV Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.

NAS Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Him who has been made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

 

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Sounds like eternal subordination to me... Brother Glen

 

Can you show me the word "eternal" in this passage?

 

God's identity is in His Hebrew name which I understand to mean the self Existent one. He being the uncaused Existence, and there is no other. Now in John 1:1-2, the Word is twice identified as being with God. Identifying the Word to be someone else with God. But we are also told that the Word was God too.

 

Hebrews 13:8 refers to the Man Jesus being eternally now and forever being that immortal Man.

 

My position is that He WILLINGLY became subordinate to the Father at the incarnation.

Philippians 2
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Notice it does not say that the Father made Him of no reputation but that He made HIMSELF of no reputation.
Likewise it does not say that the Father humbled Him but that He humbled HIMSELF.

He did it WILLINGLY.

Also in the 1 Corinthians 15 passage "the end" IMO means the end of the rule of man at which time Christ will come again and ONCE MORE become subordinate to the father "for a little while" (1000 years) and then be restored to His eternal glory as coequal with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Christ as eternally begotten of the Father and the Holy Spirit eternally proceeding from the Father (and the Son) Three distinct persons in one Godhead coequal in power and glory.

 

No. I hold that He was always the Son. He was not in any way in eternity caused to be the Son. A son is subordinate to a father. So He was always subordinate being the Son with God. Being the Son of God, not God.

He was also equal with His Father as God and that is immutable.

How He was with God was changed. John 1:14, "made flesh." But as God did not change. As how He was not God did in fact change.

I hold that the Son was always both the immutable God, being equal and subordinate Son.

 

Sounds like words fail here. Subordination in the Incarnation is not the same as the eternal “subordination” described. Are we sufficiently versed in the Godhead to speak of eternity?