Featured Catholic Who Embraced Jesus As Lord And Savior Continued

Ok. Do you know why many professing Christians believe salvation is by God's grace alone (Romans 11:6)?

Well, I became a Christian on the premise that I could know with absolute certianty that when I would die, I would go to God's Heaven.

So what was the reason you became a professing Christian? Why were you a Baptist? And what specifically persuaded you to become Roman Catholic?

 

Catholics fully embrace Ephesians 2:8-9, but keep reading!

Since you are not familiar with my testimony, I will re-post it for you and for our confused Baptist/Catholic OP.

 

I was brought up in a Baptist family, came to Christ (repented of my sins and trusted Christ as my Savior and Lord) at the age of eleven and was taught that if something is Catholic it has to be wrong.

Liturgy is definately part of Catholic worship and so it was to be rejected as ritualistic and repetitive praying. As an evangelical I thought the symbolism and ritual of Catholicism, Anglicanism, Lutheran or any high church as devoid of meaning, empty, rote, and mindless. Of course there have been cases or even tendencies at times for people to lose track of the meanings of their religious practices, and to do them without thinking about why they do them– but Baptists do this too– sometimes even with their prayers, devotions, church-going, etc. To say that all symbolic ritual in the Catholic church is rote and thoughtless ritualism is as uncharitable as someone saying that evangelicalism is legalistic unthoughtful literalism which practices bibliolatry with no concern for making a concrete difference in this world. But I digress!

I began a bible study in my church of the book of Hebrews and I saw just how important liturgy was for the covenant and that became increasingly evident to me as I studied the book of Hebrews. Also I found that overwhelming historical evidence exists proving it was important to the Early Church. I came to believe that liturgy represents the way God fathered his covenant people and He renewed that on a regular basis. It became evident to me as to what the relationship of the Old Testament was to the New and how the New Testament Church became a fulfillment and not an abandonment of the Old. These ideas were confirmed by the writings of the Early Church Fathers. Reading the ECF's, I began to believe that the Catholic Church might most accurately reflect the intentions of the Early Church Fathers and found other evangelicals seeking a church whose roots run deeper than the Reformation. However, I had always believed that people only leave the Catholic Church for 'True Christianity' and not the other way around. But, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life’s 2007 Religious Landscape Survey, roughly 8 percent of Catholics were raised in other churches as evangelicals. This compares with 9 percent of evangelical Christians who were raised Catholic. Not much difference.

As I continued to study I became aware that the one only place where Jesus used the word 'covenant' was when He instituted 'The Lord's Supper'. Yet, we only observed communion four times a year.
I began to study the Gospel of John and became aware that the Gospel was chock full of sacramental imagery. I was raised to believe that liturgy and sacraments were to be rejected and certainly not to be studied. These things I was programed not to be open to. But going through Hebrews I noticed the writer made me see that liturgy and sacraments were an essential part of God's family life. Then in John six, I came to realize that Jesus could not have been talking metaphorically when He taught us to eat His flesh and drink His blood. The Jews in His audience would not have been outraged and scandalized by a mere symbol. Besides, if the Jews had merely misunderstood Jesus to be speaking literally and He meant His words to be taken figuratively, why would he not simply clarify them? But He never did! Nor did any other Christian for over a thousand years!

All this and the fact that my Aunt, a Baptist missionary, had announced to her family that she was becoming a Catholic and this started me looking deeper into a Church I had long considered heretical and even the Great Whore of Babylon (I had read David Hunt's book). Then I began to read some of the writings of the recent popes. Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI have been highly regarded in the evangelical community. Their writings are very focused on the person of Jesus Christ and very attentive to scripture. That was certainly important to us evangelicals.

Of course there were the questions about supposed 'Mary worship' (Catholics place Mary and the saints above Christ and Catholics bow to idols, don't they?) and I was taught in my Baptist church that Catholics believe Purgatory is place where people are given a 'Second Chance' at salvation. Of course, I knew that was un-biblical. And wasn't Catholicism a 'works-rigteousness' based religion? The list went on and on so I began to read and see for myself what the Catholics had to say to my objections to their 'un-biblical' doctrines. My first book was 'Born Fundamentalist, Born-Again Catholic' by David Currie. This answered most of the nagging questions I had had as to whether or not the Catholic Church was biblical or not. I then read 'Crossing The Tiber: Evangelicals Discover The Ancient Faith' by Steve Ray, a former Baptist. Then came books by other evangelical converts such as Scott Hahn and books by Karl Keating.

There are many other reasons why I and other former evangelicals convert to Catholicism. One reason is: Certainty
To have certainty and knowledge of truth leads many evangelicals to look elsewhere beyond all the doctrinal differences and “choose-your-own-church syndrome” within evangelical churches. I had the desire for certain knowledge, this is something I could not find within evangelical churches. If I were to ask ten evangelicals what their churches teach about marriage and divorce, how many different answers might I get?

Another reason for conversion is that I wanted to be connected to the ENTIRE history of the Christian Church and not just from the Reformation forward. I do not buy into Baptist successionism as their is a lack of historical evidence for it. Baptists trying to connect themselves to various groups that split from Catholicism prior to the Reformation falls short. Their beliefs and practices were closer to Catholicism than present day Baptists. The Waldenses are an example.

Also, I have issue with the "interpretive diversity” that occurs in evangelicalism, I prefer to accept the authority of the Catholic Church instead of trying to sort through the numerous interpretations of evangelical pastors and theologians. The authority that is found in the Catholic Church’s Magisterium has been consistant for two thousand years. The non-ending threads on the BB pitting Christian against Christian over doctrine many times resulting in either board members directly or indirectly questioning each others salvation and the myriad of denominations created because of such squabbling is evidence enough of the dangers of 'interpretive diversity' or 'individual interpretation' of scripture.

 

When you take Holy Communion from his hands fraudulently, it is his business! You are wrongly withholding vital information from him and drawing him unknowingly into your little scheme. Receiving Holy Communion at a Catholic Mass means "I believe" in the Catholic teaching about it - but you don't. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

 

The spiritual welfare of the flock is the pastor's or Priest's business. Examples exist throughout the New Testament letters. I know Catholic Priests offer counseling and many Baptist pastors counsel over spiritual matters as well.

What you are dealing with is clearly a spiritual matter and is a matter which is suppose to be their business. If this were a matter you could handle yourself or within your family, I would say that there would be no need to bother them. However, you have brought this out publicly on a forum with complete strangers. Not once, but twice.

If you do not trust or respect your pastor or priest enough to be fully honest with them and to discuss what is bothering you, might I suggest finding a church whose leader you do trust and respect?

 

Ha! Ha! What a joke. Which Baptist church has the truth? Would that be the 1st Baptist on Main St, or perhaps it's the Ebenezer Baptist over on Elm?

 

Good grief, that would make it 4 Christian churches (3 plus the Lutheran he looks to but does not attend) for him to look for succor to. Do you really want to add more confusion to his spiritual life?

 

Yeah, you're right. It is a bit much. I would suggest talking to one of the Church leaders he already has. But if he's saying "It's none of their business." when he's sharing it with complete strangers on the internet, something is wrong. Maybe I'm wrong and going to a third church is a bad idea. But I really think he should share this with someone IRL.

 

Who cares what assembly you go to! What do you believe? And let’s do this systematically. Do you believe in the God of the Trinity? How do they interact? How is your salvation imparted?

 

You are using semantics here. Taking Holy Communion from a Eucharistic Minister is just like taking it from a Priest - you are still receiving the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and that truth does not change just because you do not say 'Amen" after receiving either.

It remains clear that you are receiving Holy Communion in a Catholic setting FRAUDULENTLY, so don't try to peddle such nonsense to me. I'll tell you one thing, Jesus is not fooled by your subterfuge, no sir He isn't, not for one second!

 

Oh, so now YOU KNOW exactly how Jesus feels about the doctrine of transubstantiation? No sir, you really don't. It all comes down to respect and personal integrity and you are lacking in both.

I'll say one final thing concerning this matter. If you think you have every right to receive Holy Communion at a Catholic Mass then tell your priest all that you have told us here and see what he says about it.

 

All of the Hebrews references were to OLD COVENANT worship In Hebrews which has been done away. The Hebrews were being told to move forward, not hold on to the OT. worship

 

how about using the term Real Presence? You seem to accept the Lutheran view -which as a Baptist, you should be horrified with. How do you know Jesus accepts that one? I am not trying to be confrontational, I am really wondering. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit led you to this?. Have you studied Baptist/Catholic/Lutheran apologetic materials? Also, curious as to your response to my above testimony.

 

The issue is God's grace (Romans 11:6; Ephesians 2:8-9). Now the purpose of obtaining God's grace through faith without works is so that we might be "his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." (Ephesians 2:10; Philippians 2:13.)

Grace > faith > justification/salvation > works > justification.
As opposed to:
Grace > faith > works > justification/salvation.

Thank you.

 

Just a note. Since salvation is not contingent on one's works (Ephesians 3:8-9; Romans 11:6). Attending or not attending any church, as a work of faith, is not a matter of getting or keeping salvation. It would be a matter of rewards, if anything (1 Corinthians 3:11-15).

 

We are saved by grace alone but our response to God’s grace is faith working through love.
Saved by Faith Alone? - Catholic Stand