Benny Hinn Discussions

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
Don,

Since when do you have the right to tell a sovereign and Almighty God how to use His limitless power? The Lord is sometimes merciful to people who sit in error and sends other people to bring them out of their deception. The Lord God is not man that we can tell Him how to run His Kingdom.

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What? You don't pray specifically for anything? You've never prayed for God to help you with a specific problem or situation? You only ever pray for God's will in a matter?

Secondly, all people who are healed by the Lord eventually die physically.

Do you believe James 5:14-16 or is this a Scripture that your denomination denies also? If any born of the Spirit pastor prays for the sick, some will recover and be healed; for others it is not His will that they will live beyond their sickness.

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You've got to be kidding me.

You're saying that all people can expect from Hinn is spiritual healing, but Hinn promises physical healing, just like in the Bible.

Yes, my church practices James 5:14-16; we anointed someone with oil just this last Sunday evening. And when the person reports that he's been healed, there is not a single person in our church that will say the pastor or any of the other men who prayed over the fellow had anything to do with it. God will be given all the glory.

And for those that didn't catch it, I'm now awake and getting ready to go to work. Still no headache, no blindness, and I'm moving under my own power.

A quick scan of news headlines doesn't show anything untoward going on with Mr. Hinn, either.

Don,

You are making the right approaches. If we can have the access to the so-called healed by Benny, we can verify many tricks there.
Sometimes, if we check with the so-called healed by someone like Benny, we find that they were demanded by the so-called Organizers that they should pay thousands of Dollars too.

A certain woman paid more than 50,000 Dollars to a certan group of healers as her husband was sick of liver cancer, but the man was not healed and died later. She was so poor and asked the organizers to refund the money, then they said to her, " you paid the money by faith, why do you try to get it back from God?"

There are many more healers even on TV, and much more who are not shown on TV too.

It is high time to be warned about such false teachers.
Best way to cope with such is to check and verify about the miracles as you did, then if possible, let the victims communicate each other.

Benny's statements, if they are checked word by word, are horrible.

Don,

You said, 'Yes, my church practices James 5:14-16; we anointed someone with oil just this last Sunday evening. And when the person reports that he's been healed, there is not a single person in our church that will say the pastor or any of the other men who prayed over the fellow had anything to do with it. God will be given all the glory.'

How nice of you or your pastor to give glory to God for a healing. So too, Benny Hinn praises the Lord for blessing the people with the Spirit of God in this special way. Do you or your pastor get a 'red star' put at the top of your paper, for reading the Bible correctly. This is no deep theological insight.

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'And for those that didn't catch it, I'm now awake and getting ready to go to work. Still no headache, no blindness, and I'm moving under my own power.

A quick scan of news headlines doesn't show anything untoward going on with Mr. Hinn, either.'

You, Rev. Hinn, me and all of us are under the mercy of God as we study to understand more about Christ and His Word.

It is foolishnesss to call down on yourself physical death. That proves nothing.

Mr Camping has more than one stipe against himself. First, he is an erring Five Point Calvinist and secondly, he says the church age is over and that people should leave their churches and just listen to him and send money for his world wide proclamation of the Gospel as he understands it. In spite of this the Lord allows Him to preach against the local church ministering to people in their communities. All I can say is the Lord is merciful and they will be judged after their natural death.

My point is, don't test God by asking Him to take your life; it does not seem to be suggested in the Bible that Christians should test Him or say what you have about being quickly taken out by physical death.

I am very sure that Benny is absolutely False Prophet. Question is how to prove it.
His words already proven many things, his way of gathering money also. In his sermon, I never felt Jesus was exalted but only Benny himself was exalted. His tactics of healing are not proven. This part must be verified further.
Let's say he can heal diabetes then the most of the diabete patients have the record of treatment at the hospitals. He can prove with the imrovement of GMP or other figures of the patients. I never heard about such. I never heard about any blind man got the sight actually. What is his miracle?

Not only Benny, there are many cheaters in the name of Jesus, with title of Reverends or Pastors.

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
How nice of you or your pastor to give glory to God for a healing. So too, Benny Hinn praises the Lord for blessing the people with the Spirit of God in this special way. Do you or your pastor get a 'red star' put at the top of your paper, for reading the Bible correctly. This is no deep theological insight.

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Hey, Ray, I answered your question about whether my church practices James 5 or not. It was obvious by the way you asked the question that your assumption was that we did not. Now you're deriding me for my church doing it. You can't have it both ways, dude.

You, Rev. Hinn, me and all of us are under the mercy of God as we study to understand more about Christ and His Word.

It is foolishnesss to call down on yourself physical death. That proves nothing.

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I asked God to strike me down if I was lying about what I posted, just as we should ask God to take care of any and all false prophets. That's not calling down physical death, but, as atestring asked me to do, asking for God's judgment.

If Benny Hinn can be part of the "name it, claim it" crowd, asking for specific answers, then why is the shoe on the other foot for those of us that don't support Hinn?

And I assume you're speaking of Harold Camping; I hold some of the same views about him that I do about Hinn. Camping uses verses out of context to promote theology that isn't biblically supported. However, I can't say that I've heard of him making prophecies that haven't come true.

Ray, the proof is out there. Please show me one, just one, prophecy that Hinn made before the fact, that later came true.

If you can't, then you must seriously ask yourself, "why?"

Mr. Camping made prophecies about the Second Coming of Christ in the 1990's I believe it was and, of course, he was wrong. This former Engineer and wanta be pastor without formal theological training keep putting out error. The poor man does not even believe that the rapture precedes the Second Coming of Christ.

I am not saying that Rev. Hinn has everything right either. But, neither would I say that Hinn and Camping are not saved. That is for the Lord to judge.

I didn't say either weren't saved. I know no man's heart. I made the claim that Hinn is a false prophet, and then set about proving it.

Obviously, Camping is a false prophet. But if Camping is a false prophet, then Hinn is definitely a false prophet as well.

This can be proven to be untrue, by either you or atestring providing one--just one--prophecy that Hinn made before the fact that later came true.

I wonder whether those guys who use the term Crusade knows what happened at the time of the Crusade. Even G Bush used the word Crusade at the time when US invaded Afghan, then he rescinded it I think.
Crusade include all the plundering, massacre, raping, killing the people, burning the houses during 12-14c. Especially they killed and destroyed Albigenes as heretics. However, most of the Albigenes were quite faithful with christian doctrines, denying to call Mary as Mother of God and keeping the Bible. They preserved a lot of bibles, I understand.
So, Crusade means destroying the true Christians and Jews.
Some of the Crusade group entered Germany and found a Jewish town because Jews lived together often forming a town. Then they found many stores with the titles of Jerusalem Store, Bethlehem Bakery, Reuben Butcher shop, Galilee Fish market and so on. Generals said "here we are in Israel now, let's start plundering and killing, these are the people who crucified our Lord !"

These days most people are familiar with geography but during the medieval time, few people had the idea about where is Israel and no body except priests had the bible. Only a few bibles existed in a town. So, you can imagine, most of the soldiers misunderstood about what they were doing. That was Crusade !

Holocaust existed often thoroughout the history.
In Normandy, Poland, Ukraine, Spain, Portugal, Russia, Balcan everywhere.

Therefore true Christians should not like to use the term "Crusade"

If Benny use the word Crusade so often, he has no idea about it. How can such guy get the inspiration by the Spirit of God?

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
Therefore true Christians should not like to use the term "Crusade"

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The word "crusade" has several meanings just as the word "bat" does.

It is not the word for the true believers' doing the work in the Lord.


Check here:

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0811Inquisition.html

The Albigensian Crusade

cru·sade (krÁ s!dÆ), n., v., -sad·ed, -sad·ing.
–n.
1.(often cap.) any of the military expeditions undertaken by the Christians of Europe in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries for the recovery of the Holy Land from the Muslims.
2.any war carried on under papal sanction.
3.any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc.: a crusade against child abuse.

Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary CD-ROM. (1999). (Version 3.0).[Computer Software]. Random House, Inc.

Gentlemen, please don't get us rabbit-trailed.

gb, in any case Crusade is not the word for Gospel preaching

'If Benny use the word Crusade so often, he has no idea about it. How can such guy get the inspiration by the Spirit of God?'

Most of us have heard the word before used in a good way. Remember all of the "Billy Graham Crusades". . . '

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Even Billy Graham is controversial.
What Billy Graham used the term doesn't mean that such words are always correct, even though we may accept him.


The following is the quote brought from BB mentioned below

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Graham also believes that men can be saved apart from the Name of Christ. (Source: 5/31/98 television interview with Robert Schuller, as reported in the May-June 1997, Foundation magazine.):

SCHULLER: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?

GRAHAM: Well, Christianity and being a true believer -- you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. [How can anyone love Christ or know Christ and not be conscious of it (Rom. 8:9,16; 10:14; 1 John 3:24; 4:13; John 3:18)?] And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that -- the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus [How can this be? (cf. Acts 4:12; Rom 10:13)], but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.

SCHULLER: Well, what I hear you saying, that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?

GRAHAM: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.

SCHULLER: [R.S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] This is fantastic! I'm so thrilled to hear you say that! There's a wideness in God's mercy!

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/graham/general.htm

GRAHAM: There is. There definitely is.


was just watching a program about G. Bush called "The Jesus Element." He is talking to his mother in one session and gives Barbara his testimony of salvation. He tells her she must be saved to get to heaven. She says, is that right, we'll just call Dr. Bill and see! They call Billy Graham personnally and he tells her NO! It is not necessary...you are already a believer, just do your best and you will be alright! UNBELIEVABLE. I could not believe what I was hearing. I was saved at a Billy Graham crusade in Grand Rapids Michigan in 1971. I remember saying yes to Christ and standing up in my seat to walk to the isle...I did go forward and pray the sinners prayer, but I KNOW I was saved the moment I stood up and PUT MY FAITH IN CHRIST. Poor Dr. Graham...the best she can do will take her straight to a devils' hell. This is APOSTACISM. Period. Gal.1:8 says he is accursed. This is not the same Gospel in different words...no, in his effort to compromise Dr. Graham has forsaken THE essential. It breaks my heart.


http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic

Hey, I'm going out of town for the weekend. Don't know if I'll have access to the internet or not. Still waiting on that one prophecy that Hinn made, *before* it happened, that came true.

In the meantime, here are Hinn's own words:

Here is Benny Hinn's own amazing admission given on TBN February 23, 1992: "Man, I remember when God would give me words of knowledge back when I began in this ministry, but I missed nine out of ten. Of course, nobody knew it except me." Then Hinn tried to explain this strange inconsistency by saying, "Saints, the Holy Ghost is using an imperfect vessel. Are you listening? We are not infallible. When you give a prophecy, sometimes you can be way off. You have to be open enough to say, 'I blew it."'

Knowing that some would question his false concept in light of the fact that God's faithful Old Testament prophets and New Testament apostles had no such failure record, Hinn actually accused Paul, Moses and Elijah of such shortcomings. Hinn said, "Men of God blew it all the time. Paul blew it; Moses blew it; Elijah blew it; even Elisha blew it. They all blew it. Maybe not the prophecies, but they all blew it in all kinds of things." Hinn then went on to point out personal failures in the lives of these men, but, by his own admission, the words these men of God spoke were not their own-they were the words of the Living God; their prophecies and words of knowledge were always 100 percent accurate.

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"It's as easy to be healed as it is to be saved"

This is one of the statements made in the opening of the Benny Hinn show every time it airs on television. Upon examination Biblically, is this a true statement? Does God promise everyone who is saved a physical healing? Maybe we need to review this and discuss it.

Paul wasn't healed--a thorn in the flesh.
Timothy wasn't healed--take a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thy of infirmities
Trophimus wasn't healed--he was left sick at Miletus
Epaphroditus was very sick--nigh unto death.

Each one of these could have been healed by the Apostle Paul. Or Paul could have sought out Peter who could have healed them. But they weren't healed. It was obviously not God's will for all to be healed.
DHK

Originally posted by DHK:
Paul wasn't healed--a thorn in the flesh.
Timothy wasn't healed--take a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thy of infirmities
Trophimus wasn't healed--he was left sick at Miletus
Epaphroditus was very sick--nigh unto death.

Each one of these could have been healed by the Apostle Paul. Or Paul could have sought out Peter who could have healed them. But they weren't healed. It was obviously not God's will for all to be healed.
DHK

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So if Paul, who wrote 13 or 14 books of the New Testament, and who tirelessly journeyed to promote the Gospel, and did so until death couldn't turn on the healing at will, then how does Benny do it?

And how about Benny telling people that if their "healing" doesn't "stick", that it is their fault for having such weak faith.