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Did William Miller Ever Stop Being A Baptist?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Zog Has-fallen, Jan 14, 2019.

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  1. Zog Has-fallen

    Zog Has-fallen Member

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    Many Baptists testified that William Miller was a man of God. And even after the Great Disappointment, William Miller was certain that his movement was of God. And Miller believed that he would still be vindicated. William Miller's Confession - August 1, 1845
     
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    Are you contradicting your own claim in the opening post of this thread?

     
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    He could be sincerely wrong just as you can be. You do not demonstrate from the Scriptures that his movement was of God.
     
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    You tell me. Do Baptists approve of William Miller being secretly disfellowshipped by a crafty cabal of carnal churchian criminals? Do you accept that act of evil as being legitimate?
     
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    Actually, I have demonstrated from the Scriptures that Miller's movement was of God. You just haven't examined the proof.
    The Millerite Interpretation of Multiple Prophetic Scenarios
     
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    Because you claim to have done something does not mean that you have actually done it. Your private interpretations of the Scriptures could be incorrect.
     
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    A link to the proof was given and God has spoken. "Do not quench the Spirit; do not despise prophetic utterances. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:16-22).
     
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    So to answer the question of the OP, Miller stopped being a Baptist when his Baptist church disfellowshipped with him because of his beliefs.

    If you have evidence another Baptist church welcomed him after that, please show me.
     
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    So you approve of William Miller being secretly disfellowshipped by a crafty cabal of carnal churchian criminals? And you accept that act of evil as being legitimate? So which church do you represent that accepts this evil?
     
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    Zog this is the question:
    that needs an answer. Baptists for the most part rise and fall on the primacy of the local church. If one church wrongly disfellowshiped Miller, another church is free to see the action as wrong. The second church is free to add him to its fellowship.
     
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    OK. Do you see the action as wrong? Are you willing to confess that William Miller had the right to a fair church trial? Or do you believe that the unjust actions of a crafty cabal of carnal churchian criminals can change a faithful God-fearing Baptist into a non-Baptist? Additionally, can a Baptist church today right the wrong done to Brother Miller? The only thing I know regarding the history of William Miller's status of possibly being a Baptist near the end of his life is contained in the lengthy excerpt Do Baptists approve of William Miller being secretly disfellowshipped by a crafty cabal of carnal churchian criminals?
     
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    How do you know whether that church's actions were fair? Are you only going by the claims of one person?
    Are you looking at it from a biased, one-sided perspective in order to rationalize your following the opinions of that man? Have you read the local church's minutes concerning it? Have you read that church's church constitution and bylaws?

    Had William Miller changed his doctrinal views from those stated in that local church's statement of faith?
     
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    The link you provided was Miller's explaination of what happened.

    Did Miller join another Baptist Church after that church disfellowshipped with him?
     
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    As far as I know, we only have the New Testament account of how the early Christians were persecuted by the Jews. The faith of the early Christians and the silence of the Jews, especially the refusal of the Jewish leadership to settle differences with Christ's followers in fair and open hearings, is a valid argument in favor of the early Christians. The same principle applies to William Miller and the new light that he brought to the Baptists. If Baptist leaders had no answer to Miller's widely circulated reports, then the failure of prominent Baptists to act responsibly is a fair judgment against them.

    1 Timothy 5:20
    Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.

    Ephesians 5:11
    Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    Jude 1:3
    Contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
     
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    New non-scriptural teaching in the 1900's would not be "the faith" once for all delivered to the saints.
     
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    Do you deny fair and open hearings in a church for those believers whom you may be smearing, judging, and condemning as "carnal churchian criminals" without any opportunity for hearings to defend themselves?

    Are you trying to act as judge and jury in your accusations against them?
     
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    William Miller's central message was essentially correct. The world was scheduled to end at the conclusion of the 2,300 days of Daniel 8:14.
     
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    No prominent Baptist is on record demanding that Miller's charges be refuted. But what does the Bible say?

    1 Timothy 5:20
    Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.

    Ephesians 5:11
    Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    Jude 1:3
    Contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
     
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