Saved, Lost, Saved Again.

Mt:5:13: Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.


salt can lose its savor and is then "good for nothing"

"ye are the salt of the earth" referring to the believer...

 

steaver,

This is all over the Bible! I dont see how anybody could miss it, over and over again the Bible says we can be saved then lost.

I never could understand how anybody could even have any question about that.


Claudia

 

I could have used you about 9 pages back

so thanx for your input - excellent

 

Excellent

Claudia is not on your side concerning the title of this thread. She believes the exact opposite as you concerning "saved, lost, saved again". I think you two ought to work this out if you are going to claim you are both on the same side of this topic.

God Bless! </font>[/QUOTE]I have maintained that you can lose your salvation - which is exactly what Claudia proved by scripture and very well

 

no one has proved that one can lose their salvation. "All that has been done is ignoring the scripture that proves eternal means eternal"

 

backsliding and loss of salvation are two different things. I still maintain that loss of salvation is possible, based on Gal 5 as one example.

I have been thinking about this script in relation to loss of salvation, because it says distinctly "falling away" - to me that is a denial of the salvation work in Christ - probably inclusive of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

If you look at the other verses that speak of falling away, it appears to be a specific group of people who have once believed and embraced Christ, had the indwelt Spirit and then rejected Him as God and Messiah or have believed a different gospel being led astray be seducing spirits - which Jesus referred to in the parable of The Sower.

When you were off doing your own thing, did you reject Jesus as God, thinking in your mind that He is not the Messiah and that God is a myth? Or were you in rebellion - which could also have could have caused spiritual death at some point? only God knows.

I knew a guy who was sold out to Jesus, he loved the Word of God and was a brilliant man who understood godliness and holiness. He fell away. He rejected that God exists. He rejects that Jesus is Lord, that He is not the Messiah, that there is no such thing. That man does not sin. He says the Bible is nothing but fairy tales. He believes in reincarnation, that we come back multiple times to improve our spirits. His words against God are blasphemy and he now worships Tao and the god of self. That is an example of falling away.

 

I believe Heb 6 is valid with respect to people who fall away.

Heb 10 "if we deliberately keep on sinning after knowledge of the truth NO SACRIFICE for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation that will consume the enemies of God."

I believe one can forfit their salvation by:

1. continuing to sin (knowingly) against God. The point is if they know what's right but does not fear God, then they are worse off.

2. Believing an additional Gospel other than what the Apostles taught

3. That God can reject us due to our eventual unbelief


I bleive It is often imposible for people to come back because they either continue in their unbelief and/or they have already tasted the goodness of Christ but Desired pleasures of the world more. Sometimes people stop caring.

 

good point - which is what Jesus said:

Luke 8:13 And those on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the Word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a time, and in time of trial draw back.
14 And those falling in the thorn bushes, these are those hearing, but under cares and riches and pleasures of life, moving along, they are choked, and do not bear to maturity.

 

Hi Tazman, you have just described myself! Read my testimony back on page two. I sinned wilfully (knowingly) and I stopped caring about the things of God. I desired the pleasures of this world and wallowed in them for ten years!
Was I saved, then lost, now saved again? Doesn't Hebrews say this is impossible?

Hey, how about your testimony? Have you ever been lost after your regeneration? I still cannot find anyone who has.

God Bless! </font>[/QUOTE]Romans 11:23
And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

During that time you very well could have not been a part of the branch and if that were the case, I believe if the jews could be grafted in, it would seem feasable for us as well.

John 15:5
"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.



The truth of the matter is that no matter what you believe before hand your faith was not perservering during your friendship with the world (James 4:4) if Jesus would have came back like a theif in the night or you would have died where you were then you would have to judge for yourself of where you stood with him. But from the sounds of it, it didn't sound good.

Have I ever left God? No, but I had issues with Him on some things that took place in my life. But ever since He came into my life and I made him Lord and the world became less appealing every year. I have had my struggles and oppertunities to go back, but I didn't.

John 15:6
If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.



And NO I am not talking Perfection, but a lifestyle change and heart change.

I am sorry to hear you had that point in your life, but hopefully you have a testamony to encourage others not to go there.

But that testamony may not mean much if people think it doesn't matter to God where they are when he comes back or they die and that they should not be on their guard and no matter what they do God is okay with it. He WILL NOT be mocked.

Maybe if you had been warned that falling away is possible and what it's implications are then It may have given you the extra (righteous) encouragement you needed to heed Gods calling.

Romans 11:11
[ Ingrafted Branches ] Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. (Taz:to come back to God)

Hindsight is 20/20, so please forgive me if I offended you, I'm not trying to make light of your situation, I'm just only sharing with you what was shared with me to keep me going.

In Christ,
Stefon

[ March 08, 2006, 12:04 AM: Message edited by: Tazman ]

 

Stever,

You are a character

Take care

 

back to the OP, huh? well, after pages and pages of discussion, it seems we are both pretty settled in our perspective. But I am curious how you expect a person who has been saved and lost to be on a christian forum and actually admit to being lost. When one loses salvation, they could care less about God, other than to rant against Him. Not sure where this "testimony" is supposed to come from? Maybe you could give me a hint

I do not believe in being saved, lost, and saved again. Lost to me is turning your back on Christ and denying Him as Messiah - this is what I believe Heb 6 is referring to. More than likely this falls into the realm of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - which is the unforgiveable sin. Just my opinion, of course