Let's talk about original sin!

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

 

Tam,

In Revelation 7 we see God saying of some, 'These are they that have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb'

It is true Christ died for all sin, but if one never turns to Christ, one still has that sin held against one.

John 3 tells us He that believeth not on the Son of God is under God's wrath

 

We are still stuck with original sin. We have a nature that is bound by sin. Christ has released us from that bondage, yet until 2nd coming we will struggle with the old nature.

 

Are we still born with original sin?


No! If by "Origianl Sin" you mean born guilty and reponsible of Adam's sin.


Or are we just born into this world with a natural sin nature?

No! Is that anything like being born naturally gay or righteous? Nah. Hmmmm, King David...


Or do we have any sin nature at all?

Yep! apart from the spirit.

 

I have to be careful now - because I am going to agree with JohnV. That usually is a sign that I am on shaky ground. ;0

The infant that dies has mentally "knowingly" comitted no sin. We may argue that they have a "Sin nature" but they certainly do not have the capacity to master the abstract concept of "Sin and rebellion". Yet they have a sin nature.

Beyond that - as a child of Adam they are "fallen" and need to be covered by the blood of Christ to gain entry into heaven.

If the question is "how long would God torment the infant if it were not covered with Christ's blood" I would argue that no torment at all would be assinged to them - but they would not enter heaven.

It is because of the sin of Adam as Paul says in Romans 5 that ALL have fallen and all are accounted as guilty EVEN those who did NOT sin (knowingly I assume) in the likeness of Adam's offense. So that would be infants that die before understanding the concept in my humble opinion.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Or, more hopefully, that I'm on solid ground

 

The Origin of Sin.
(1) Sin originated with Satan's pride (Isa 14:12-14; 1Ti 3:6).

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

1 Timothy 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

(2) Sin entered the world through Adam's disobedience (Ge 3:1-24; Ro 5:12).

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Genesis 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Way of Life Encyclopedia of the Bible

 

As Romans 4 says "Where there is no law neither is there sin"..

The problem is ONE problem from the fall of Adam to this very day.

The solution is the ONE Gospel - from the fall of Adam to this very day!

In Christ,

Bob

 

What is your understanding of just what is the "good message" and how was it preached from Adam through and including the NT?

God Bless!

 

In Genesis 3 we see that the Gospel invovles the starting point of mankind depraved and fallen into sin "in need" of salvation.

God declares in Gen 3 that "satan loses" and God wins and also shows the supernatural "Drawing of all mankind" in that He inserts hatred/discord between fallen man and Satan (the Drawing of all mankind TOWARD God and AWAY from evil).

In Heb 4 Paul says "The Gospel was preached to US JUST as it was to them ALSO".

In 1 Peter 1

Peter tells us that the OT saints were in fact getting 'The gospel" and that "Gospel" is being preached to NT saints!

In Heb 11 Paul further identifies the results of that Heb 4 "Gospel" preached to US JUST as it was to THEM by showing us OT saints PREflood AND postFlood. In the case of Enoch we have a preflood saint not only saved BUT ALSO raptured (translated) to heaven itself without ever dying!

In John 3 Christ declares the fact that OT Bible scholars/teachers (like Nicodemus in that case) should be well aware of that Gospel presentation - particularaly "the New Birth" needed by ALL the saints to enter heaven. A pre-cross teaching that was available to ALL pre-cross Bible scholars!

In Gal 3:7-8 Paul says "THE GOSPEL" (the ONE that he already said is the ONE AND ONLY Gospel in chapter 1 vs 6-9) was "preached beforehand to Abraham"

It only works ONE WAY. Saved by Grace through faith -- born again saints with the law of God written on the heart -- forgiveness and reconciliation through the atoning death of Christ, all mankind supernaturally drawn to God and thus enabled to open the door as Christ stands on the outside knocking.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Hey brother Bob,

Excellent post!

I just pray you could understand that the rebirth is ALL God and it is a final act of God to seal and declare His children.

Great post though!

God Bless!

 

Yes all are borned with original sin.

Jesus has paid the penalty for all sin(original or committed).

Today sin(original or committed) cannot send a person to hell. Only the failure to accept Jesus Christ as your personal savio (depending and trusting on him alone for your salvation) can sent a person to hell. Why can sin not send a person to hell? Simply because Jesus paid for all sin.

 

Hey mima! You have ears that hear and eyes that see!

God Bless!

 

You accept "one Gospel" in all ages? That is pretty Good Steaver. Several people here have expressed an interest in believing in the fake Gospel of "salvation by works" for the OT and the actual "Gospel" for the NT.

If you are willing to accept ONE Gospel -- the SAME Gospel in BOTH OT and NT I say we are finding some real common ground here.

IN Christ

Bob

 

Hey, you are my brother! We must have some things in common.

 

He is the same as He always was, a loving God who will not under any circumstance tolerate sin. He is the same loving God who included them into the covenant.

I, unlike many people here acknowledge that having faith and recieving Christ is not dependant on reasoning ability, age, or ability to communicate. With children who are brought up by families who provide every opportunity to be exposed to the Gospel, I do not worry. With children in non-Christian families, I worry about them just as much as I do everyone else in their family as they all need Christ.