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Jesus fed five thousand true or false?

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  1. Manie Amari

    Manie Amari New Member

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    In these verses Luke describes the return of the disciples from their mission and how Jesus takes them away to a desert place in Bethsaida and is followed by a crowd of more than five thousand. Jesus ministers to the people with the word and healing all that we’re sick. The day turns into evening and the disciples suggest that Jesus send the crowd to buy food as they are in a desert place and there are not enough provisions to feed them all. They have only five loaves and two fish. But Jesus tells the disciples to feed them and to sit them down by fifties. Jesus blesses the food which was two fish and five loaves and feeds the entire multitude. The crowd was estimated to be five thousand men plus women and children with 12 baskets of leftovers.



    Q: Elisha multiplied barely loaves and corn (2 Kings 4:44). What makes the miracle of Jesus greater?



    Q: Do you believe this miracle actually happened? Why or Why not?



    Appreciate anyone who adds their input.
     
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    Yes, the miracle happened. Elisha performed no miracles. The Spirit performed the Miracles. Elisha was simply the messenger.
     
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    From the perspective what is written in the New Testament is the word of God and God cannot lie. Our evidence of the bodily resurrection of the Son of God is our NT.
     
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    Yes, I believe it actually happened, with also the clarification you add in your text, that the crowd was actually much more than five thousand. The why is because God said so. I believe the Bible is inspired, that Jesus is all powerful, and that his miracles were literal and real.
    I'm not sure I would make this distinction, because (1) Elisha had no power within himself to perform the miracle, but did it by the power of God and (2) God's power is God's power, however he decides to use it. For example, Jesus said, "For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?" Matthew 9:5. If you can do one you can do the other, and they are all in a sense equally "easy" and equally "hard" to God. Perhaps there is something greater in the sense that Jesus did it in his person and as a demonstration of his power and that he was the Messiah.
     
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    Lol, because Elisha did a hundred, while Jesus did thousands? I don’t think it was a peeing contest between Jesus and Elisha though.

    I believe the miracles described in the Bible happened. There are some like Acts 20 which I don’t believe are miracles primarily because the Bible doesn’t specifically state so.

    Jesus feeding thousands is in all 4 Gospels, so it made quite an impression on the Apostles. If there is a miracle to believe in besides the resurrection, that would be the one. Though I don’t limit the number of miracles I believe in to two.

    I guess, in the same way I have no power to breath and type this e-mail in that God can take it away anytime he wishes. But that’s arguing semantics.

    Elisha was given the power to do miracles. It is clear from his use and misuse of this power that it was not God but him doing the miracles.
     
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    MartyF Well-Known Member

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    Lol,

    As long as you say they are the same, it's fine by me.

    I apologize for the trouble.
     
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    I love the way you wording this. Also I agree. Thanks for commenting.
     
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    Thanks for your input. Much appreciated.
     
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    No trouble at all. :)
     
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    Hi, Manie!
    I am in agreement that the miracles of Jesus happened just as recorded for the reasons listed above by previous members.
    Are you having trouble with doubts, brother? If so, remember that the crowds were so wowed by these miracles that Jesus had to get away because He knew they would try to make Him King by force. John 6:15.
     
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