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? What does T.U.L.I.P. stand for?

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  1. mr. messy

    mr. messy New Member

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    ? What does T.U.L.I.P. stand for? This seems to be a condensation of John Calvin's teaching in a certain format...?

    I am not a 5 point Calvinist.

    Are there 5 similar points for the Wesleyans* [to keep it simple for me on the name's group] ?

    Correct if I am wrong but my faulty memory would attempt to give the T.U.L.I.P. list as follows:

    T may stand for the total depravity of men ? ?

    U may stand for ? ? I have forgotten. ?

    L may stand for the limited atonement of Christ?

    I may stand for the irresistible call ? of Christ ?

    P may stand for the persuversance? [my spelling is not correct] of the saints ?

    If you help me, I would appreciate it.

    Could you give me a link to the Calvinist point of view?

    Could you give me a link to the non-Calvinist point of view?

    Thanks again,

    mr. messy
     
    #1 mr. messy, Mar 2, 2006
  2. Matt Black

    Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    T is total depravity - kind of similar to original sin I guess

    U is unlimited grace

    L is limited atonement - Jesus only died for some people not for all, apparently

    I is irresistible grace ie: God does everything and those who are saved are incapable of being lost

    P is perseverance of the saints which flows from I ie: once saved always saved

    Most Christians would take issue with the L, and many also with the I and P.
     
    #2 Matt Black, Mar 2, 2006
  3. standingfirminChrist

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    Teenagers
    Unearthed
    Litigants
    Infesting
    probables
     
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  6. DeclareHim

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    This is really unkind of you sir. I could say IFBC stands for
    Icompetent
    Fools
    Believing
    C***

    As a Church that follows John Piper's theology we are clavinist and I don't like you mockery of this position. But I do not believe IFBC stands for the above I was just trying to make a point. ;)

    [***Edited by Moderator. The word you typed is not suitable for use in this forum or anywhere on the BB. Please be more careful in your choice of words.]

    [ March 03, 2006, 02:51 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]
     
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  7. Ray Berrian

    Ray Berrian New Member

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    mr. messy,

    You said, 'What does T.U.L.I.P. stand for?'

    .
     
    #7 Ray Berrian, Mar 2, 2006
  8. Deacon

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    Please forgive my brother StandingfirminChrist, he got carried away with an acronym game in another forum.

    (and he beat me to posting along a similar line) :rolleyes:

    Rob

    [ March 03, 2006, 02:52 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]
     
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  9. standingfirminChrist

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    You could say that? Looks like you already did.

    Any true Bible believer knows the TULIP doctrine is not scripturally based.
     
    #9 standingfirminChrist, Mar 2, 2006
  10. Timtoolman

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    Most of them anyways.
     
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  11. Jim1999

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    I believe tulip is biblical, but I am not going about making wild accusations about those who differ. I guess that's the difference between us.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #11 Jim1999, Mar 2, 2006
  12. 4His_glory

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    So Charles Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield, William Carrey, and Adoniriam Judson were not ture Bible believers?
     
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  13. standingfirminChrist

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    Any who held to the TULIP were apparently not reading their Bible's in the light of the truth concerning the matter.

    How's that?

    I believe Jesus put it well when He said, 'Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures'
     
    #13 standingfirminChrist, Mar 2, 2006
  14. Jim1999

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    No, we are all hell-bent for sure. No one else can know the truth, and I use my Bible to give me heigth when I sit down.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #14 Jim1999, Mar 2, 2006
  15. Ray Berrian

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    4His--glory,

    I believe you said, 'So Charles Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield, William Carrey, and Adoniriam Judson were not true Bible believers?'

     
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    I should like to be as Christocentric as was the beloved Mr. Spurgeon. If he was ignorant of scripture, I am blind. If some of these critics only read or wrote half of what that one man did in his brief lifetime. He was never accused of not loving the Lord Jesus,,,and where did he get this Jesus from? Why, the scriptures he loved so much.

    I am so glad that my faith depends totally upon the Lord and not upon this frail old servant of the Lord. He saved me by His grace and He will keep me by His grace, and not by my puny, frail, fallen so-called free will.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #16 Jim1999, Mar 2, 2006
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    Amen to all that you have said Jim1999 . And again , AMEN .
     
    #17 Rippon, Mar 2, 2006
  18. nate

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    I also second Jim1999's post.
     
    #18 nate, Mar 2, 2006
  19. Bob Farnaby

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    Amen Jim, It's all of grace ..

    Regards
    Bob
     
    #19 Bob Farnaby, Mar 3, 2006
  20. Ray Berrian

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    I too agree, without Jesus there is no salvation. His work and ministry in us is all of grace [I John 5:13]. Life is in the Son [I John 5:11-12].

    Berrian, Th.D.
     
    #20 Ray Berrian, Mar 3, 2006
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