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  1. Alofa Atu

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    Inspite of myself and my previous injunction against myself:

    The Holy Ghost, the real Living Person who took the place of the Son of God on earth (Psa 133:1-3; Jhn 14:16, 16:13; Luk 24:49; Acts 1:2,4-5,8, 2:1-4,18-19,33, Rev 5:6) as Christ's Vicar.

    But you don't acknowledge Him. You have an alter-christos (vicarius christi; anti christos) in His place, in fact you have myriad in His place.

    I am no theologian to begin with. I came from nothing, and have no degrees, no masters or doctors, except the Master, the Doctor (Great Physician) of Divinity.

    Joh_7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

    Act_4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

    I was taken from my iniquity to walk with Jesus, by the Holy Ghost, as He promised (Jhn 6:45) through the inspired written preserved word of God.

    You too utilyan can come with us. You have to choose though. You have to honestly ask God for the truth with all your heart. Ask God to show you and if sincere God will. God did so for me. God has never stopped answering that prayer I prayed upon my knees with all tears. You do not have to believe anything I say. All I ask, is you ask the question of God in truth and when God shows you, acknowledge it and wait patiently on some things, for in one question I had, it took over two years to finally have the complete answer, and I continued to pray and study and God finally gave all, but He wanted to know if I wanted the answer enough to keep asking, searching, seeking Him until I had what I asked for in the matter (what it was is not relevant to this OP).
     
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    Sure thing sign me up. Again name a single living person on earth who has a better understanding of Christianity than you do.

    The reason I ask is because self-proclaimed prophets come a dime a dozen with vague answers and hidden phantom churches. We are told in scripture to test the spirits.

    Your holy spirit said I am misrepresenting:

    "Here again, utilyan, have misrepresented the koine Greek text and its meanings and you know it. "rabbi" (G4461) is not the word "didaskalos" (G1320) is it utilyan?,"

    John 1

    38And Jesus turned and saw them following, and said to them, “What do you seek?” They said to Him, “Rabbi (which translated means Teacher), where are You staying?”


    The author of the gospel clearly states Rabbi G4461 = Didaskalos (G1320)

    Ῥαββί ὃ λέγεται ἑρμηνευόμενον, Διδάσκαλε

    You need to clear this up, buddy. ^ Are you in error or not?


    "But you don't acknowledge Him. You have an alter-christos (vicarius christi; anti christos) in His place, in fact you have myriad in His place."

    God is Love. 1 John 4. If you can tell the difference between love and God. Then you still have a lot to learn about both.


    "You have to honestly ask God for the truth with all your heart. Ask God to show you and if sincere God will. "

    I trust God enough not to have to ask unless he commands so. He commanded Love God and Love neighbor. Salvation and leverage of assurance are insignificant to me. The Highest priority is Love.


    Tell us where step one is. Show us who gave you the canon of scripture and claim it is legit.
     
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    You are splitting hairs here. The descendants of Abraham have become knowncollectively as "Jews" despite the many tribes contained within the overall Jewish makeup. According to the Encyclopedia of the Bible put out by the Bible Gateway folks, a non-Catholic group the Sanhedrin were: "(A Heb. and Aram. term taken over directly into Eng.) denoting the council of Jerusalem which constituted the highest Jewish authority in the Pal. of pre-a.d. 70".

    Ah hah! "The highest Jewish authority in the Palestine of pre A.D. 70". Did it say "highest JEWISH authority"? Yes Wilbur, it certainly did.

    I don't know where you are getting your information, but you are wrong. They (the Sanhedrin) were Jews who had religious authority over other Jews and that is the fact of the matter.
     
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    Yes, I agree. You are just another poster who thinks of himself as the high and mighty oracle of faith that all must see things as you now do. I asked before and I will ask again, to which Christian sect do you belong to?
     
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    What do you know, you plainly stated to me, based upon your standard:

    Everything else from you on the matter of theology, is therefore simply a 'truck-driverism', without any basis of any higher authority than 'Convoy ... rubber-duck ... quack, quack ...'
     
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    In case you hadn't figured out my reply to you yet on the matter, I quoted "you". "You" are the source. I specifically quoted (" ... ") "you". Read it again, read it slowly, and place all my words in their context, and you will see what I said, and did not say, nor deny:

    I do hope you can see now. I quoted and responded to your diminishing of the facts. You simply tried to reduce the Sand-hedrin's importance in the context I gave to simply a "Jewish group", as if they had no authority, or were equal in authority to say the Essenes, or Zealots, etc. They were not any such thing. They were the designated body of authority by God, not a "Jewish group".

    If you had actually read my response you would see what I was addressing. I stated it several times. I was speaking of authority and you tried to make it about some racial thing, and minimize their authority as if it were somehow equal to other existing bodies. I showed that both were not so.
     
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    Where we are going, you cannot come utilyan, yet, for you are not willing to live by the rules there. If you want to come, you must choose to live by the rule there. Also, I cannot sign you up. You have to sign you up.

    As I told you, since you reject the Holy Spirit as the Living Person as Christs Vicar on earth, you look to sinful fallen man, and so, as I said, bypass the only answer and look for another.

    I am no "prophet" and never claimed to be one as you imagined. Why do you misrepresent what I have said? Seriously, why? Why do you overstate that which is stated to you? I hope one day you will ask yourself those questions.

    We are found in Daniel 7, 8, 11, 12; Revelation 10, 12, 14, etc. We are identified by scripture specifically. Your answer is therein if you will study those chapters out carefully and prayerfully. God cannot lie, and spoke the truth.

    Sounds like a standard of testing, the "scripture" then, huh?

    According to the scripture you refer to, how does it say to "test the spirits"? What is the foundational criteria that must be met in order to determine true from false spirits?

    You are, and I showed this to you on several occasions, and are further complicating the issue, because you desire to justify yourself, rather than the truth. You even misrepresented me here, for I spake of "the Holy Spirit", not "my holy spirit". The Holy Spirit is not me. He is His own eternal Person, Living Deity.

    Yes, I said that, after you misrepresented Acts 9:31's koine Greek, and the scripture Acts 7:2, and thus attempted to justify yourself anyway by attempting to connect 1 Tim 2:7; 2 Tim 1:11; 1 Cor 12:28 into the mixture, further clouding the truth, and so I asked the question (sic), and please notice carefully what I asked. I will ask it again:

    "rabbi" (G4461) is not the word "didaskalos" (G1320), is it utilyan?

    One is Hebrew (Rabbi), the other koine Greek (didaskalos), is it not utilyan? are they the same word? No. Those two words are from a differing language.

    Was I correct in this, yes or no?

    Look:

    Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

    Joh 3:2 ויבא אל־ישוע לילה ויאמר אליו רבי ידענו כי אתה מורה מאת אלהים באת כי לא־יוכל איש לעשות האתות אשר אתה עשה בלתי אם־האלהים עמו׃

    Joh 3:2 הוּא בָא אֶל־יֵשׁוּעַ לַיְלָה וַיֹּאמֶר אֵלָיו רַבִּי יָדַעְנוּ כִּי מֵאֵת אֱלֹהִים בָּאתָ לְמוֹרֶה לָנוּ כִּי אֵין לְאֵל יַד־אִישׁ לַעֲשׂוֹת אֶת־הָאֹתוֹת אֲשֶׁר אַתָּה עֹשֶׂה בִּלְתִּי אִם־אֱלֹהִים עִמּוֹ׃

    What do you see? Rabbi means 'great one (Master)'. Do you see 'teacher' also?

    Now in the Hebrew NT, can you show me the word Rabbi being used in the Hebrew texts of those passages that you cited 1 Tim, 2 Tim, 1 Cor?

    1Ti 2:7 וַאֲנִי נִקְרֵאתִי לִהְיוֹת־לָהּ לְמַגִּיד וְשָׁלִיחַ וּמוֹרֶה אֱמֶת וֶאֱמוּנָה לַגּוֹיִם הֵן אֱמֶת אֲדַבֵּרָה בַּמָּשִׁיחַ וְלֹא שֶׁקֶר מִלָּי

    2Ti 1:11 הִיא הַבְּשׁרָה אֲשֶׁר נִקְרֵאתִי לִהְיוֹת־לָהּ לְמַגִּיד וּלְשָׁלִיחַ וּלְמוֹרֶה הַגּוֹיִם׃

    1Co 12:28 וּמֵהֶם הֵקִים אֱלֹהִים בְּתוֹךְ הָעֵדָה בָּרִאשֹׁנָה שְׁלִיחִים בַּשֵּׁנִית נְבִיאִים בַּשְּׁלִישִׁית מוֹרִים וְאַחֲרֵי־כֵן אֵלֶּה אֲשֶׁר נָתַן לָהֶם לַעֲשׂוֹת נִפְלָאוֹת לִרְפֹּא חֳלָיִם לְהָבִיא עֶזְרָה לַעֲמֹד בְּרֹאשׁ הָעֵדָה וּלְדַבֵּר בִּלְשֹׁנוֹת שֹׁנוֹת׃

    You quoted, Matthew 23:8-10, and stated:

    Notice what you started with, "Call no man father." and then tried to link "teacher" (Rabbi, didaskalos) to this matter after abusing the previous texts, of which I showed you that you did misuses those texts that you cited, for those texts are not speaking of the same manner as Jesus is referring to in Matthew 23, but in other uses not at all related. All you did was obfuscate the truth that I gave by citing Matthew 23:8-10. Thus my question came into play.

    I don't use the word "Mr." or "Mrs." as I know what it means. I call people 'brother' and 'sister' or by their name, or 'elder', etc.

    A 'doctor' is someone who teaches 'doctrine'. Today we do not really use the word appropriately, and simply apply it to persons who should be 'physicians' as Luke truly was after the Great Physician Jesus Christ. However, since the big-pharma actually promotes satanic forms of doctrine, they truly are 'doctors', mostly, killing their congregants by prescribing pseduo-science (science (knowledge) falsely so called) pharmakeia (sorcery), potions of poison, bleeding the life from the persons, killing the immune system, cutting up the temple unnecessarily (not all surgery is evil, for there is a time to cut away, or cut off the evil that is consuming a person., but that is only an outward measurement), etc.

    Jesus did not say you couldn't use the word 'didaskalos' for a person who teaches. Notice the context of how he stated it. It was in matters specific. This was my point, and contrast between "Rabbi" (Title of authority; as "Master", etc) and 'didaskalos' (simply one who teaches another), as found in the verses cited 1 Tim 2:7; 2 Tim 1:11; 1 Cor 12:28.

    Romanism confuses this.

    There is only one (school) Master - Jesus Christ, and those under him, are under-shepherds, under-teachers, etc. Jesus is the school-Master, while no one else (humanly speaking) is. There is a massive difference between School-"Master" and a lesser 'teacher'.

    The persons calling themselves "Rabbi" were claiming to be more than they were, and loved the title, more than teaching righteousness. Same with "Master". They (Pharisees, scribes, etc) loved to be called this, all the while, having no mastery over their own fallen selves. They had not submitted to the true Master - Jesus Christ.

    So, calling "no man father", has nothing to do with not calling the person who sired me, 'father'. It is in matters of religious authority. For they being called "Father", meant that as a disciple of them, you (or whomsoever) were claiming to be their "child" in matters taught in religion. Jesus wasn't saying that a person could not call their biological ancestor 'father', which was the case used by Stephen, etc. Paul used the word in another context, and even stated that they to whom he was speaking did not have 'many fathers' as Romanism does proclaim. They have to deny what Paul said, and obfuscate the matter.

    What happens, is, that Romanism ignores the injunction, and calls many 'Father', even "Holy Father' (to the pope!; a designation reserved to God the Father alone in all of scripture!!!) and never explains the text in its context, and simply try to obfuscate it by throwing all the other material out as you did.

    Admit your error. Stop calling those 'many' persons of religious effect, 'father'. Otherwise, you are claiming another 'father' in such matters, as stated, and thus are under the 'father' of lies.

    I even stated already:

    Can you see what I said now? is it clear utilyan or do you want to justify yourself further and continue this charade of pretending we are actually discussing the OP?
     
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    Rabbi is Hebrew, and when translated into koine Greek becomes 'didaskalos', sure. I never denied that. I asked a specific question in regards "the word" themselves.

    I also spoke of the 'meanings" (plural). You seemed to bypass what I said, and read into what I said what you hoped to gain by so doing.

    Actually what it says is 'interpreted' or 'translated', going from one language to another, and in so doing several things happen.

    I can read just fine.

    I was clear from the start, but you had to continue adding material.

    No. You misunderstood what I asked and went on a tangent.

    My statement is true, which is why you didn't address it.

    Never said God wasn't love, anywhere in this thread. I always affirm that God is indeed, love, a most vehement flame of righteous fire.

    I was speaking about men (popes, cardinals, bishops, archbishops, etc of the Roman system, the alter-christos, the vicarius christi and anti christos). Did you just take what I said, and equate God is love to those persons? as if they were God?

    Mat_7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

    Luk_11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

    That's pretty clear.

    Jesus was quoting directly from Deuteronomy 6:5, and Leviticus 19:17-18, which both are in the context of the Ten Commandments and sin. Love is not a fuzzy feeling, not a mere sick-sentimentalism. Love is God's Law, which is the transcript of His perfect character; Exodus 33:12-23, 34:1-19, 20:5-7, and Jesus is the living example/demonstration of it.

    Romanism seeks to play with that character, thinking (fallen human reasoning) to change times and laws, as seen here - Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?

    Do you care that they deface God's own character and substitute men's foolishness into it and pass it off as truth? They have robbed you of the true gold, and given you fool's gold. They have taken away the true stone of God, and given you the philosophers stone which seeks to make of nothing into something, passing it off as genuinely valuable when it was nothing but vanity to begin with.

    You will even deny where Jesus was quoting from and its context, to justify yourself, for the carnal mind is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can be. Go read John 14:15; Exodus 20:6.

    I noticed.

    If it truly was, you would obey God in His Ten Commandments, for that is love:

    1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    Earlier you said you were to try the spirits, but you do not and instead bypass the very test given you:

    1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    Roman Catholicism denies the very fallen sinful flesh of Jesus through their impeccability doctrine, and through their immaculate conception (of mary) doctrine. They rob Jesus of His very nature, the very "flesh". They teach unfallen rather than the fallen flesh, because of their erroneous 'original sin' doctrine which makes man a sinner for being born, rather than a sinner by transgression (1 John 3:4), and thus have to abuse David in so doing.

    Jesus condmned "sin in the flesh". His flesh. He nailed that sinful flesh to the cross. Rome denies this.

    Try the spirits utilyan. Follow the logic, the teaching, out to its end and you will find, that Roman Catholicism cannot save you from anything.

    I already did, and you desire to remain blind to it even still. Go back and read. Open your eyes utiliyan, and only you can open them for you are the one keeping them shut. Jesus came to heal you of this.

    I did already, and because you refuse the only answer, you look for another, that will never come, even as the Jews who rejected the true Messiah, are still looking for another, who will never come and that which does come, comes in his own name, and will deceive them, because they wanted to be deceived.
     
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    No you are appealing to GNOSTICISM. I want to know where did you even start, when did you even consider Jesus, who put the plate in front of you.

    The last 5 other self-proclaimed Saints also think they are the only living saints on earth.


    "Roman Catholicism denies the very fallen sinful flesh of Jesus through their impeccability doctrine"

    Is Jesus Christ GOD or not?



    You know this fellah?

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    1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    What "flesh" utilyan? This is the question, not Jesus' eternal Deity.

    Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    What 'nature' do angels of heaven have, fallen or unfallen?

    What 'nature' does every child of Adam after the fall have, fallen of unfallen?

    Heb_2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

    Act_2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

    Rom_1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

    Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    What was condemned? Whose 'flesh'?

    Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    Where was 'sin' condemned and how?

    You were told to test the spirits by this very criteria, and yet you deny what was told you, and you even cited the text in reference for testing.

    Rom_9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

    2Co_5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

    What 'flesh', fallen or unfallen?

    Gal_5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

    Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

    Col_1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

    Heb_2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    Choose wisely utilyan for your eternal future will depend on it. Think carefully upon the differences between the two and follow each out to their conclusion.
     
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    That is precisely why it says in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh.

    He could have just said God sent his son in the sinful flesh.


    If he had fallen flesh then he would not be able to condemn sin at all.

    The cross would be meaningless, Because a sacrifice to God cannot have a defect. Deuteronomy 17

    The sacrifice would have been an abomination.


    Is Jesus God simple yes or no?
     
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    Romans 8:3 KJB - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    [for "likeness" see Philippians 2:7; Romans 6:5]

    Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    Was Jesus a "man", yes or no? or only appeared to be?

    Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

    Are we going to be resurrected like Jesus? yes or no?

    You do not understand the word "likeness" which was from the beginning.

    I told you you would deny this.

    No, it could not have for reasons above.

    Just the opposite. Since Jesus lived a sinless life in sinful fallen flesh, that condemned the sin in the flesh. We have no excuse.

    No, the cross and the crucifying of the fallen sinful flesh is everything, It gives us the hope., that in Christ Jesus, we too can live, here, as He did.

    Jesus was without sin. The lambskin was also fallen. The whole world of flesh is fallen utilyan.

    You mix the spiritual with the natural.

    It is written:

    Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    Jesus is Deity, not the Person/Being of the Father, neither the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost:

    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    As it is written:

    [Father]: Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

    [Son]: Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

    [Holy Ghost]: Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    I must be specific in identification lest you think I teach the error of Romanism's 'trinity'. I already told you:

    1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    You deny the fallen sinful flesh because of the teachings of Rome I already cited, and you do not follow their conclusion to its end.

    You will never overcome then utilyan because of those teachings.
     
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    I did no such thing.

    Once again no. You said they were not Jews, I simply stated the fact that they were indeed Jews.

    See, this is what I actually posted. They had authority over other Jews, yes, I absolutely agree.

    Well your post was not clear then. I never sought to minimize their authority. They were still Jews. You said, and I will quote: "The Sanhedrin was not a Jewish group". Care to walk that one back?
     
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    No, you misquoted me and took me out of context and didn't even provide elipses. There is nothing to 'walk ... back'.
     
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    Very well. You still did not answer my question so I will try one more time. To which faith tradition do you belong to, specifically the name of the group of like minded people with whom you gather with on the day we are to worship as a community?
     
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    That's easy. I do not belong to any "faith tradition". And before you think I said something I did not, I am refusing the word "tradition". I do not belong to a "faith tradition", as if there is a Smörgåsbord, for that is catholic thinking, and unscriptural. There is only "one faith" (Eph 4:5), everything else is counterfeit to it, and the word 'tradition' is nowhere found anywhere near it, and that pure "faith", "once delivered to the saints" (Jud 1:3) is verily "the faith of Jesus" (Rev 14:12).

    Now to consider the latter part of the question, concerning "... on the day we are to worship ...", is also not quite right, since God is to be worshipped in/on every day as the scriptures teach. The body of believers may gather on any and every day with no injunction anywhere found in scripture against such, and in truth they met "daily", "continually", etc (Mat 26:55; Mar 14:49; Luk 22:53, 24:33,36; Acts 19:9) and likewise among the followers of Jesus Christ (Luk 24:51,53; Acts 1:3,9, 2:46-47, 5:42, 6:1, 16:5, 17:11,17; Heb 3:13, etc).

    Several parts, please have patience.
     
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    Now to address the latter portion, "... as a community ...", for this is addressed in Hebrews:

    Heb_10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

    This refers to at least two things, but I m not going to detail it here from scripture, but I will say to read carefully Hebrews 3-4. It is specific.

    I have a whole thread now on this subject already begun - Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?

    Questions, and discussion, on that, should take place there.

    Lev_23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

    The words "holy convocation" mean a 'sacred gathering', and so, according to the scripture, the 7th Day, the sabbath (the rest) of the LORD (JEHOVAH Elohiym) is the day God's people are to especially gather on, resting as God did, and is found throughout all the NT:

    Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;
    Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;
    Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;
    John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 12:1 (calculated), 19:31;
    Acts 1:2, 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;

    Additional references are:

    John 12:1 (six days before the Passover, Jesus was at Lazarus' house, on Sabbath)
    Hebrews 3:11, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; [Hebrews 4:9 "rest" Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]
    Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ], Revelation 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7]; Revelation 14:7 [see previous], etc

    Matthew 28:1(a) - (Koine Greek) οψε δε σαββατων (Transliterated) oye de sabbatwn
    Matthew 28:1(b) - (Koine Greek) εις μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) eiV mian sabbatwn
    Mark 16:2 - (Koine Greek) και λιαν πρωι της μιας σαββατων (Transliterated) kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn
    Mark 16:9 - (Koine Greek) αναστας δε πρωι πρωτη σαββατου (Transliterated) anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou
    Luke 24:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
    John 20:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
    John 20:19 - (Koine Greek) τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th mia twn sabbatwn
    Acts 20:7 - (Koine Greek) εν δε τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) en de th mia twn sabbatwn
    1 Corinthians 16:2 - (Koine Greek) κατα μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) kata mian sabbatwn

    Several parts, please continue to have patience.
     
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    For instance

    [Jesus]: Luk_4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

    [Disciples]: Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

    Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

    Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

    [Paul]: Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

    [Paul]: Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

    [Paul]: Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

    [Paul]: Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

    Act_18:11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

    [Jews]: Act_13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

    [Jews/Gentiles together]: Act_15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

    [Jews/Gentiles together]: Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

    [Gentiles]: Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

    [Jews]: Act 4:24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

    [Gentiles]: Act 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

    Act 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

    [Jews and Gentiles]: Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

    Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

    Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

    Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

    Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

    Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

    Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

    Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

    Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    [God's people]: Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

    Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

    Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

    Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

    Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

    Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

    Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

    Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

    Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

    [Remnant]: Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

    Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

    Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

    Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    [All flesh in the near future]: Isa 66:21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.

    Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

    Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
     
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    Last part, thank you for being patient:

    Now, if you want to know what the 'name' (character) of the "faith" (Luk 18:8; Gr. TR, 'the faith', definite article) is, I will tell you plainly.

    By the grace (scripturally defined) of God alone, through faith (scripturally defined) alone (Eph 2:8-10; Tit 3:4-7), I am a true Seventh-day Adventist, by God's mercies and love alone, as God in the beginning is and is even now, as Adam was after, as Abel, as Seth, ... as Enoch, ... as Noah ... as Job ... as Abraham, as Isaac, as Jacob, as Joseph ... as Moses, as Aaron ... as Joshua ... as Samuel, ... as David, as Solomon ... as Isaiah, as Jeremiah, as Ezekiel, as Daniel, ... as Malachi ... as John the Baptist, as Jesus, as Peter, James and John and the other Apostles, as the disciples, as Paul, as all those were in the wilderness, as the Sabbatini, Insabbati, as unto the present day who are the Remnant of all those gone before.

    The name Seventh-day Adventist is a living witness unto all, a living sermon, a living demonstration, it is from Alpha to Omega, from Beginning unto Ending, from First to Last, from Author to Finisher, from Creation to Redemption, from the Garden to Garden, and there is no other like it upon the earth:

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    We are identified specifically in prophecy, even as John the Baptist surely was. We are the last Elijah, the last John the Baptist heralding the second coming of Jesus Christ, for as John the Baptist knew who he was in prophecy and where he was in time, and what he was to do in his mission, so do we:

    Mat_3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

    Mar_1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

    Luk_3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

    Joh_1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

    The LORD God is coming, prepare to meet thy God. It is nigh, yea, even at the doors.
     
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    Sorry, I don't read long cut and pastes. A simple answer would suffice. So one more time and then I will let you be. What is the particular faith tradition in which you worship? (Remember, Jesus says we should be truthful with each other, so if it is the Church of Alofa Atu be honest and say so).
     
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